Boston's latest Brooklyn

Somerville? Yawn. The Globe today quotes some developer dude about suddenly not so sleepy but still leafy Watertown:

We look at it almost like it is going to be Boston’s Brooklyn.

But it Watertown is Boston's Brooklyn, what's Watertown's Coney Island?

Keep up with the latest place to be named Boston's Brooklyn with this handy Google results page (h/t Gradon Tripp for the idea).

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There has been a TON of

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There has been a TON of development in Watertown in the recent years, especially near the river/square. It's a quiet and affordable town. The 71 (or is it the 73?) is extremely popular and gets you to Harvard Sq/Red Line very quickly. Saw quite a few 'fresh grads turned professionals' living there in my time. Why not?

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The 71 is frequent, but it's

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The 71 is frequent, but it's not quick. If nothing goes wrong, you're looking at a 30 minute ride from Watertown Square to Harvard.

I wish the T would run trains on the Watertown Branch railroad. Even better would be a frequent trolley, D Line style.

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Care to step outside?

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I'm also super-sensitive about the whole Brooklyn thing, having been born and raised there, and so whole-heartedly support that CJR report, since the Manhattanized part of Brooklyn still remains a relatively small (if, granted, growing) portion of the borough. When speculators start flipping Mill Basin townhouses for a couple mill, then we can talk about "Brooklyn."

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"Manhattanized part of Brooklyn"

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Similar to what liberal trust fund yuppies like yourself have done to Rozie and JP?

I just want to make sure were on the same page!

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Oh, you're so droll

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A) No trust fund. Hard to believe, but I actually work for a living.

B) We don't live in the part of Roslindale that's skyrocketing in value - I think we're paying less in property taxes now than a few years ago, the result of our block appreciating a lot more slowly than elsewhere. Sucks if you want to sell, great for those of us with no intention of moving. We're too far from anything and our houses are too boring and small for the sort of people who seem to frighten you, because they read books and have lots of disposable income.

C) Bless your soul.

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I have yet to meet....

....anyone remotely similar to a trust fund yuppie in Roslindale. Perhaps this is because I am in the same remote corner of the neighborhood as Adam. Perhaps it is because there are very few such persons in the first place....

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Thankfully

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Some of those people put their extra time granted by their (alleged) largess putting together tremendous resources like this site that trolls like you pooh-pooh because you were born in the on-deck circle and are bitter toward those born on third.

There's no bitterness like the Boston kind.

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Glad to see the Herald commenters

showing up over here! What others nuggets of Howie Carr wisdom can you impart upon us today?

Trust fund. If Gaffin had a trust fund, would he have to shag his ass down to those licensing board meetings every week?

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Don't conservatives like

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Don't conservatives like trust funders? W, Mittens, Trump. These are not self made men.

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I know, right?

I had to laugh when one of my conservative friends criticized Hillary Clinton for being "greedy". Since when do conservatives consider that a character flaw?

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I have family there

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Mill Avenue for the win! :-).

Thanks for the link; added to the original post (like it should have been at the beginning).

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Well this does have a point

Brooklyn has a population of over 2.5 million people, more than twice as many as Boston, Cambridge, Somerville and Brookline combined. It contains neighborhoods as expensive as the Back Bay and dirt-poor areas dominated by public housing projects.

It's like saying that Somerville is the Chicago of Boston. It just doesn't make any sense.

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Are there

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Really that many guys in Watertown wearing women's jeans and non prescription glasses?

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Once Brighton Landing gets

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Once Brighton Landing gets built and they get priced out of Lower Allston it might happen.

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Watertown will be Watertown.

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Unless and until there is a spur off of either the Red Line or Green Line (Take the A-train, baby!) to Watertown Square, it will be Watertown as it has been for decades.

As for the development, I think that they are a bit optimistic on those rents and that this project is being undertaken too far into the current cycle for that location. I wish them luck, however, and hope that they will be respectful. That's a good little neighborhood over there.

(N.B. - if the developers are thinkers, they'll involve some people like the Airasians, who have deep Watertown roots/connections and an existing presence in that neighborhood.)

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With the upcoming west

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With the upcoming west station & mass pike straightening, I'll keep my fingers crossed for the return of the A line

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Remnants of the tracks

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Remnants of the tracks remained for decades. I'm sure some of you remember slipping and sliding on them as you drove up Brighton Ave. from Packard's Corner or on Galen St. near Watertown Square. For what it's worth, I live in Waltham and work in Watertown, and my commute is rather pleasant, first the 70 bus then the 71 bus to Mount Auburn Street. Beats being stuck on a conked out Red Line train.

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Why? A new commuter rail

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Why? A new commuter rail station a few blocks from the former A trolley, with Boston's very infrequent commuter rail schedules, won't do anything to speed up commutes from Watertown.

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Watertown's Coney Island?

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That's a stumper. However, I live on Winsor Avenue, so maybe it could become Windsor Terrace (and the street I used to live on might qualify for Sheepshead Bay, if the Armenian population doesn't object strenuously to being analagous Russians.) Otherwise, it's a huge stretch.

Suldog
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Sheepshead Bay

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I'd have to place Sheepshead Bay along the Charles behind the Arsenal, but that's because I associate Sheepshead Bay more with boats than with Russians (hmm, aren't the Russians all in Brighton Beach, in which case wouldn't Brighton be our Brighton Beach?).

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Yeah, Brighton Beach, Of Course

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See, this is what happens when somebody who thinks he knows two areas well enough to make some half-assed comparison tries to equate one part of one city with another part of another metropolitan area. They usually end up comparing apples to kiwi fruit and also invariably screw up somewhere along the way.

I'm so ashamed. I actually know Brooklyn fairly well - my brother-in-law has lived there for many years and I get there a couple of times a year, love to ride the F and G and D and B and R and N and 3 and 4 and... well, you know... exploring lots of neighborhoods, and I should have had my geography down better.

Suldog
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Coney Island

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Strip T's? The RMV inside the Arsenal Mall? There are so many to choose from.

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Well...

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The RMV is across the street, in the WATERTOWN Mall - separate entities, on either side of Arsenal Street - so maybe that can be Coney Island and the Food Court in the Arsenal Mall can be... oh, who the f*** knows? The whole idea is DUMBO.

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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Commute Times

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I'm not so sure about that. With the 502 and 504 express buses running from Watertown Center, I can get to South Station, Copley, or Federal & Franklin quicker than anyone trying to commute via train from say, Allston - Brighton / Brookline.

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Interesting Race?

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Taking the express on the Pike during rush hour can be rough. It would be interesting to clock that ride versus, say, the C to Park Street from Coolidge Corner or the B from Packards Corner.

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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Except it's over a mile from

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Except it's over a mile from the planned development site to Watertown Square/Yard. Which puts you at the whim of the 70.

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The 70 is a cruel, hateful

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The 70 is a cruel, hateful mistress. Especially in Watertown Square, or that stretch between the Arsenal "Project" and Market St.

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Not during rush hour. Recent

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Not during rush hour. Recent construction on the Pike has turned that commute into a painful, painful 2-3 hour crawl.

And that said, most of the development this article mentions- which will happen along Arsenal/near Coolidge Corner- is not near the 502/504 express bus.

Coolidge Corner is served by the 71 bus; which isn't terrible but tends to suck out loud the closer you get to Harvard Sq.

And Arsenal St is serviced by the 70 which goes from Waltham through Watertown Sq. down Western and into Central Sq- which is a frigging nightmare to take as it is.

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Yes, That Construction Sucks

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I do a part-time gig in Southie most nights and it tends to cost me at least 10 minutes even during non-rush hours.

Also, not to nitpick, but I'm sure you meant Coolidge Square. Coolidge Corner is Brookline.

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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You do realize that much of

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You do realize that much of Brighton has the same type of Mass Pike express bus service, on the 501/503?

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Spare Change Guy

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Would this make Spare Change Guy the original Boston hipster?

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Similarities

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I've lived in Brooklyn and currently live in Watertown. I assure you: Watertown is not Brooklyn.

The Arsenal Mall is not the Fulton Mall.
The Charles River Reservation is not the Brooklyn Botanic Gardens.
The 71 is not the G.

Watertown and Brooklyn are as similar as Watertown and Mars.

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Yes...

Watertown, it's just like Brooklyn! Minus the diversity, public transit infrastructure, world-renowned park space, and walking access to a major city!

Developers are hilarious in their efforts to re-brand existing areas into the image of an already existing area. If the subway ran to Watertown, it could potentially become the Somerville of the 2020s. As it currently stands, it'll just be Watertown with a few more townhouses.

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Boston's Brooklyn is quite clearly Dorchester, you idiots

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There are so many things wrong with this, so let's proceed slowly:

* Boston's Brooklyn should be in, you know, Boston. Or, heck, even adjacent to it.
* Boston's Brooklyn should be a largely residential urban community. Waterdown is not.
* Boston's Brooklyn should have a greatly diverse set of minorities and economic classes. not just a place white hipsters might enjoy living.
* In particular, Watertown is 91% white, Brooklyn is 35% white.
* Median income in Watertown: $60k
* Median income in Brooklyn: $32k
* I mean, seriously, I like visiting my friends in Watertown, but the cultural self-centeredness and shameless idolization of a mythical 'Brooklyn' being invoked to make a cozy privileged community 'cooler' in the eyes of white youths is just...ugh.

So, anyway, Dorchester is Boston's most diverse neighborhood, has plenty of hipsters, and is solidly working-class. Seems like a much more plausible candidate for 'Brooklyn' than Watertown.

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Oops, edit

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Brooklyn is actually about 54% white, but still.

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Tresca's!

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Oh, how I love Tresca's! I used to live within walking distance and was very sad to move. Still make it there once a month or so.

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They're gonna have to reinstate the A line...

... and run the 70 and 70A on a half-hour apiece, 15-minutes apart schedule.

Which the T doesn't want and can't afford to do.

The 71 down Mt. Auburn is reliable, tends to be every 10-15 minutes during the day, and we use it. The 70 runs on some unpredictable schedule, the 70A is like once an hour 5 minutes after one of the 70s, and gets cancelled all the freaking time.

And yes, I have the app on my phone.

Right now most of the residential development has been in the Pleasant Street Corridor, where I live; geographically, that's over by Russo's. We've had about 1000 apartment/condo units added in the past 5 years (Repton Place, Mill Creek, whatever that thing opposite Gore Place's Farm is called this week, RiverBend in the old HartzMason spot, another set of townhouses opposite Green/Myrtle, and a new project going up between Bacon and Howard).

The only bus that serves that area is the 558 express (crosses into Nonantum at Bridge) that runs maybe once an hour during rush hour.

No way will Watertown EVER be like Brooklyn. DTZ must be a bunch of wankers. Figures; it'll end up like some of the office buildings on Pleasant Street (Riverfront Lofts cough cough) that had to be converted to condos.

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There's always a bunch of

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There's always a bunch of people waiting for the 70 at night at the Gore Street stop. I finally figured out why: they all walked up from the River/Pleasant Street area.

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How can it be the next

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How can it be the next Brooklyn if you still can't get a decent cup of coffee there?

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Queens

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I think that makes West Roxbury the Queens of Boston...

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This

Queens, at least, has decent restaurants.

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Brooklyn?

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Brooklyn? Please, it's as bougie as you can stand, all 35 year olds who re-cap old episodes of Saved by the Bell and engage in city-side 1900s LARPing. The real hip new area is a dark hole in the middle of the street that descends not into our own earth, but into a another realm entirely. Come to the hole!

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Stop the presses -- a real

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Stop the presses -- a real estate developer make an idiotic analogy!

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