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Councilor: Maybe the city should sell official space savers

Michelle Wu and son Blaise at Boston City Council hearing on snow removal

Councilor Wu asks about snow removal as son Blaise takes a break (via Boston City TV).

City Councilor Tim McCarthy (Hyde Park, Roslindale, Mattapan) says it might be time for the city to make its peace with space savers - and make some money by selling official City of Boston space savers.

At a hearing on snow removal today, McCarthy said the idea, proposed by a constituent, has grown on him. In an era when some people would put out "furnaces and toilets" to spite trash workers tasked with removing their space savers, the city could bring in extra revenue for snow and trash removal via official space savers, he said.

McCarthy called the hearing to look at ways the city could improve snow-removal efforts in the future, based on the experience this year. He started by praising city workers for doing an excellent job in the face of historic snowstorms, and noted they were putting in such long hours that towards the end he saw some at a DPW facility and they were so clearly wiped out "I thought I was in front of a methadone clinic."

Councilor Sal LaMattina (East Boston, Charlestown, North End) said he'd want to see increases in the current $50 residential fines for not shoveling snow - and said the money could go to hiring winter "hokeys" to clear crosswalks and the like.

DPW Commissioner Michael Dennehy said the city issued 6,000 shoveling tickets this winter - 5,800 of them to residents, the rest to local businesses. Mayor Walsh recently proposed increases in fines for commercial snow scofflaws.

Councilor Mark Ciommo (Allston/Brighton) said he'd like to see the city set up a phone bank to call landlords of large residential complexes who are shirking their snow-shoveling responsibilities - to supplement fines with daily phone calls until they finally clean their walks.

Dennehy said he would love to buy more Bobcats to aid in snow removal. "I'm a huge proponent of Bobcats," he said. He said they could prove especially helpful in areas where sidewalks are blocked and either nobody can figure out who's responsible, such as American Legion Highway in Roslindale, or for just helping citizens out in areas where the property is owned by agencies that just aren't shoveling - such as bridges over MBTA train lines.

Dennehy said he would also love to buy snow melters, but said "they are cost prohibitive." Even the smaller ones, which melt 135 tons of snow an hour, can cost more than $500,000, and that doesn't include the cost of the gasoline required to run them, he said.

Still, he said that with the help of two snow melters - and their crews - from New York City and the rental of two larger snow melters from private companies, the city was able to clear enough space at its snow farms to not have to dump snow into the harbor.

Dennehy said the city was fortunate this year that the BRA had a large parcel of undeveloped land in the seaport area that could be used for snow farming and melting. He said he's concerned what might happen in future years if the land is developed. Although the city won a state waiver to dump snow into the harbor, the city doesn't want to do that in part because of all the stuff that winds up in the snow that would then wind up in the water.

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The city which won't charge market rates for parking stickers or parking meters is going to charge and enforce official city space savers?

HA!

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I think it's a great idea. Issue them with say 3 days validity, with the address clearly written on them, just like no-parking passes you get for moving trucks. Use the proceeds to directly fund space-saver pickup sweeps.

Secondarily, after things have calmed down after the storm, start block-by-block no parking enforncement, to allow snow removal to come in and clean it all up.

Snow removal is expensive because we can't dump into the bay, because of salting. Instead, spread sand and be prompt about removal -> cheap and easy.

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I'm surprised that number wasn't higher. I know there was a house on our street which got at least two citations as it is an abandoned reno and I would have bet every street had at least one fined house. As noted in other threads past, I would love to know if those 6000 fines will stick or if the city will let people plea out with claims of bad back, elderly resident or whatever. If they get most of it, then the city got over $250,000 which is something.

A modest proposal - if you don't shovel your walk, someone else can do it and bill you $100 through a citizens connect type app. People could make money, the sidewalks would be cleared and the responsible parties would pay for it.

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As the sidewalks are PUBLIC property though which the PUBLIC cannot legally be restricted the right of access by the abutters, let's once and for all acknowledge that the burden of maintaining this PUBLIC property does not lie with the PRIVATE abutters, and should properly and rightfully fall on the GOVERNMENT.

As has been pointed out numerious times in past posts on this topic, many other cities and towns both in New England and throughout the country seem to have grapsed this concept and provide snow removal for their PUBLIC sidewalks. It's time Boston get with the program, dump most of their overpaid revenue agents "inspectors" and their fancy ticket printing hardware, and put that money to lower-wage laborers and equipment instead, so they can actually clear the PUBLIC sidewalks themselves.

After all, government should be about serving the PUBLIC, not creating excuses to raise revenue.

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...Boston has a few more sidewalks than East Cupcake, pop. 1.348, which doesn't even have a traffic light.

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That comparison is moot because Boston has considerably more people per mile of sidewalk than any of these suburban towns. It should actually be much easier for Boston to afford to plow its sidewalks than for "East Cupcake" to do it.

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...because on most of their streets, suburban towns don't even have sidewalks.

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A modest question: Where would you find the hundreds of people (and matching fund) needed to clear hundreds of miles of sidewalk overnight? Looks totally unrealistic to me. Basic sidewalk maintenance is one of these rare civic duty asked of a property owner. For people who can't or don't like to shovel their sidewalk, there is an elegant free market alternative: Just hire someone to do it.

I write this from experience; I shovel over 400' of sidewalk every winter (with a $12 shovel, no snow blower).

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How about this: propery owners who are forced to shovel a public sidewalk GET. FREE WiNTRT PARKING STICKER/ SAVER based on the lenght of the sidewalk they shovel for the benefit o the public. So a 15' sidewalk in front? One spot. 120' of sidewalk? 8 spots . The pass only good for spots along their property. If no parking is allowed they get another reward like payment or tax break for doing the city's job.

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By extension of your logic, only the people who live on a street should be able to park on it. Do you agree with this? If so, why restrict it to winter?

(This is a thing called "resident parking". You "get a space" by proving that you do actually live there. No, you don't own it; you get the use of it, if it's available.)

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We can't even get tickets issued for improper trash disposal when the bags likely contain trash with the owners' names on it. How would you monitor this? How would residents claim their spot if they did shovel? What's to stop someone from claiming someone else's work as their own?

People all over the country are responsible to keep sidewalks clear in winter. In residential areas, they have to cut the grass beside curbs, too. It's part of being a property owner. Why should we property owners in Boston be held to a different standard?

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If you put out a furnace or a toilet, you should be ticketed and fined for leaving trash on the street, not rewarded with a scheme for official savers. Fine the property the space is in front of, since people apparently feel so entitled to that space!

As for official savers? Great idea, let's designate a system whereby people instead of having to use a space saver, have to have a certain stic....oh...wait...

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Fine the property the space is in front of

And if the resident didn't save the spot?

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As a property owner of a 0 car household, why should I be fined for my neighbors being jerks?

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Is that a baby in the photo??

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I wouldn't want to disturb it.

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"Anybody tries to move me out of my space except Mom is going to get the full alarm treatment - WAAH!"

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How symbolic.

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Gosh I love that woman.. seriously! You go girl.

Bringing a baby to a hearing, awesome!

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It kind of looks like Councilor Wu is advocating the use of infants for space savers.

But my goodness, what a cute kid. And look at how peaceful he looks during the City Council meeting.

As far as the substance of the meeting- we need melters. We don't need them every year, but there have been enough years when we could have used them.

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Good baby, good mother

But my goodness, what a cute kid. And look at how peaceful he looks during the City Council meeting.

But signs of a good kid, if he stayed quiet the entire time..

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Babies around that age can be really great like that, but another couple of months and they start to crawl around and develop a mind of their own, and before you know it you've got a toddler to cope with.

Enjoy the awesomeness while it lasts!

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Wu responds to some crank (no, not the car dealer):

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there's an ernie boch III ????

Wasn't two enough?

sheesh.

As a taxpayer (state, not boston), I'd rather have Michelle in session with her quiet child than missing days due to no child care!

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EB3: What a complete jerk. Gimme a break.

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It's a pseudonym, but he has nothing to do with the car dealer.

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Only until he was about 5 months old, though. Had I brought him back for the fall, he would have been a serious disruption (agile, mobile, tactile) rather than simply amazed by the lights and voices.

I take it that Ernie Boch III is just trying to get his name in comments. His comment strikes me as coming from someone who has never had a real job while juggling direct hands-on parental responsibilities.

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I've been there. As a single mother I too had days when my little one would accompany me to the office. But, I agree with EB3. Sure, there are days but don't make a habit out of it. It's disruptive, distracting and unprofessional.

I'm sure Ms. Wu has suitable arrangments made and this is just a temporary thing, but I would find it distracting to have the baby lying on the table during a meeting. I love babies and could just sit and stare at them all day (must be my age), but not when I'm trying to work, babies going to win everytime.

EB3 was correct in hoping this wasn't going to become the norm.

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There are these arcane rules about what "age group" kids are in when you look into daycare. That determines how many slots are available, and there are fewer slots for younger babies because they need more caregivers per baby.

I'm betting that the place that she found didn't have any "newborn" slots, but takes a lot more babies 3 months and older.

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I think that's the proposed cost of an official Boston space saver, first born child, at market rate instead of the artificially low cost of a parking permit.

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You will still have lazy ass non shovelers buying these space savers and stealing spots from those who shoveled. I'm glad the City admits that space saving works.

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A space saver user calling out someone else for being lazy and stealing public land? That's rich.

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Can't wait until the scalper community gets hold of these and sets up a secondary market.

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Either Michelle uses a celebrity look-alike to attend City Council meeting or she is really not getting enough sleep. Every time I hear about the City of Boston tolerating people laying claim to public property that they have parked their car on, I say to myself - That's the best argument yet that Boston is NOT a world-class city.

To all of you who remain parked on the street during a major snow storm and then think you can either store your car there and impede snow removal and/or shovel the car and then claim the land beneath it yours . . . you can all go pound sand. You should be fined heavily.

As for the Mayor, please stop trying to appeal to the citizens who clearly don't get the concept of citizenship but support you. They may admire you and follow you blindly but pandering to them will be our City's unmaking.

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And Wu is still kicking ass as a city councilor. In time, Blaise will sleep better, and so will mommy.

As for the rest, I'm sick of talking about space savers.

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with humor like that no wonder the kid couldn't stay awake. Selling space savers: really thoughtless idea...and McCarthy is supposed to be the Public Works guru? my lord save us.

take a quote from Belichick: "do...your...job." and that means all of us.

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Franklin Park is bearing an unfair burden of snow removal efforts - huge snow farms, filled with dirt and trash, may be in the park for months to come. The park is a beautiful greenspace, Olmsted's "crown jewel" of the Emerald Necklace, not available land for use as a DPW dumping ground. Without adequate funds, the Parks Department will not be able to restore damaged landscape and trees. Undoubtedly, it was an overwhelming winter, but in the future the city has to find some other solutions and not dump snow in the park.

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I find this very bizarre. I really like Wu and voted for her but what they hell are you doing having your baby lay on their desk like that. Put them baby and then stroller or baby seat and someone get Mrs. Wu a Psychological Evaluation!

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Because I'm struggling to comprehend the alleged anger you claim to have over a simple act like this, with a child who is a) asleep, b) probably unable to roll over anyway and c) has his mother right there.

Earlier in the hearing, she was holding her son in her lap. Then he fell asleep. She didn't have a stroller; better the desk than the floor.

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But it's not Michelle Wu. Heck, she should be teaching childcare classes. When my youngun was Blaise's age, he would cry the second one of us would put him down. This kid looks so peaceful lying on her desk. I could dream of that!

The rule of thumb is that when your child is at peace, leave well enough alone. He's an arm's length away and she can keep an eye on him. These are good things.

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We are going to take a short break from todays City Counsel Meeting for a short tummy time session.

That is all.

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