
The owners of the existing South Bay big-box mall this week filed plans with the BRA for a 10-acre extension that would feature a hotel, a movie theater, restaurants and shops in the sort of urbanish outdoor ambiance city dwellers now have to drive to Dedham or Foxboro to experience.
In its project notification form, Edens says its South Bay Town Center will replace a concrete plant, the former 88 supermarket, a closed office building and a vacant warehouse with 475 apartments or condos - 61 of them marketed as affordable - a 12-screen cineplex, a 130-room hotel and room enough for the sort of boutiques and restaurants one doesn't associate with the current South Bay mall. It would sit next to the existing South Bay mall.
South Bay Town Center would come with 1,066 parking spaces. But unlike at Legacy Place in Dedham, which consists of stores clustered around a large parking lot, most of the spaces at South Bay Town Center would be "tucked away from view in structures." Sidewalks would connect the mall to Newmarket station on the Fairmount Line and Andrew station on the Red Line.

In its filing, Edens explains its concept:
The Project entails the redevelopment of a series of under-utilized parcels into a vibrant, transit-oriented, mixed-use neighborhood that could catalyze future development in its surrounding context and provide walkable amenities for adjacent residential neighborhoods. ... The Proponent and the Project Team recognize the intimate relationship between successful retail and quality public space, enhanced by texture and scale oriented toward the pedestrian. The Project represents a departure from the existing suburban-style shopping center at the existing South Bay Center, with the implementation of a new, urban street grid, pedestrian orientation, mixed land uses, structured parking, and acute attention to the details of dynamic public space.
The Project Team aspires to introduce an exciting urban context influenced by the rich character and heritage of Dorchester- a destination that is new and vibrant, yet an extension of the fabric surrounding it; a place with authenticity and local essence, where residents and visitors alike comingle in a comfortable and energized atmosphere. The Proponent's efforts to thoughtfully merchandise through the selection and location of retail tenants, artisans, and dining concepts, to program both interior and exterior spaces, to artfully integrate materiality and landscaping, and to conceive events engaging the community, promise to create a lively public environment. The urban streetscape and public space create the heart of the Project, harboring activity, outdoor dining, and human interaction. Sidewalks are lined with transparent storefronts of designs unique to each retailer, thus ensuring visually compelling promenades. The social, cultural, and economic activity engendered by the project can provide an impetus for positive change to abutting, antiquated commercial and industrial properties, helping to provide a bright future for Dorchester and the City of Boston.
Complete project notification form (26M PDF).
Ed. note: Nothing against Edens or its architect, ADD, but one thing I've noticed over the past year is that when architectural renderings filed with the BRA have people in them, they tend to be like 99% or 100% white people - even for projects in Roxbury or, in this case, Dorchester. Given that people of color now make up the majority of Boston residents, that just seems kind of odd:

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The people in the renderings
By anon
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 10:06am
The people in the renderings are stock entourage. Blame the software company that supplies the architects for not giving them options.
Seems like this will be Boston's version of Assembly Square?
Whatevers
By anon
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 10:06am
What a crock of poo. I wonder how much these marketing weasels get paid for this kind of stuff.
A lot
By John Costello
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 10:36am
If you can do it better, step up, put it a lower bid, and get it done.
Huh?
By anon
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 10:53am
Do better? Low bid? Get the job done? What in the world are you talking about?
My criticism, in case you didn't get it, is regarding the marketing BS, not the actual project. And that quote is a whole lot of marketing BS.
Poo artistry
By Markk02474
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 11:07am
How can you not marvel at how its just layered on, deeper and deeper?
If a developer can build buildings half as well as poo, they deserve a green light.
Granted the Marketing
By s
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 11:20am
...is over the top, but that's how a project like this gets made, by exciting people. But what is really wrong with that. Yes, it might eventually help gentrify the neighborhood - that's what it means and it's not hidden too deep. This is an area that I don't even think the residents would object to a little development and gentrification. How many plumbing supply stores and auto body shops does one neighborhood need anyway?
Plumbing and auto body shops you say?
By anon
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:15pm
They provide employment and provide necessary products and services. How many do we need? Plenty.
marketing poo
By Neighbor2
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:47pm
You're right. A city doesn't need any auto-body shops or plumbing supply stores. We should be all boutiques and bistros.
worried about plumbing and auto body
By anon
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 2:38pm
Out off all things in the area you mention "too much plumbing stores and auto body shops"? Those places are actually doing some good to the neighborhood how about trying to tackle liquor stores on every corner which keeps the alcoholics and the homeless population hovering around the area or let's talk about how many police details will be in the area to prevent the high crime Dorchester sees every year or even cleaning up the area of BMC where you see all the drug addicts hanging out at to make the area feel safe? Plumbing and auto body shops ARE YOU SERIOUS?
Actually, people living in
By anon
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 10:07am
Actually, people living in Boston go downtown for the movie theater and now Assembly ....and yes, Dedham or South Shore mall for shopping ....who drives to Foxboro! ...this would actually be great but I'm sick of the BRA
How do you get to Assembly?
By adamg
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 10:29am
Drive, or Orange Line?
Orange line is convenient
By TiminCharlestown
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 10:40am
If you're near it, but if you're in Sommerville / Cambridge etc, then you're probably driving.
or...
By Sharon
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 11:33am
not going.
Assembly Station
By SBer
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 10:41am
Haven't been there yet, but there is an Orange Line stop: Assembly Station:
http://www.mbta.com/schedules_and_maps/subway/line...
Adorable
By anon
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 10:11am
Outdoor seating and picnic tables shades by umbrellas and trees. At last -a comfortable place for the druggies, homeless, day laborers, and the squeegee guys to hang out. Nice.
Is it private property?
By Bob Leponge
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 11:21am
For better or for worse, private property owners have a lot more control over who sits on their benches than city governments do.
Isn't it private property now
By Lmo
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 1:05pm
Isn't it private property now? All of the above hang out at South Bay daily.
Exactly why this redo is in
By DotDefender
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 9:56pm
Exactly why this redo is in order. Development is marching on and thank fully Dorchester is benefitting. Good luck to the developers.
It's not a redo
By adamg
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 10:47pm
My apologies if the post was unclear, but this is in addition to the big-box mall, not a replacement for it.
I know, huh?
By anon
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 11:26am
It should really be designed with guard towers, lots of razor wire and no amenities whatever, because that is the kind of shopping experience people crave.
It isn't like the owners and tenants will have security and grounds staff or anything. And we well know that putting such finery near any place where some of the people might not be white is a huge mistake.
Those people should be limited to rummaging through salvage lot goods in dank 50 year old warehouses under the watchful eye of clerks armed with Glocks only after they submit to a full body search as a condition for admittance.
One can't be too careful!!!
https://youtu.be/1xIQmFk1ok0
https://youtu.be/uLKXITefgYk.
Lafayette Place
By anon
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:27pm
"It should really be designed with guard towers, lots of razor wire"
I get the sarcasm, but that description made me think of the old Lafayette Place mall in DTX back in the 80s. It was a blank, windowless fortress designed to keep out the Combat Zone, which was still a thing, albeit a dying one, at the time. It was dark, shadowy and circular inside. The whole thing was just a mess and it didn't last long. The carcass of it is still there.
Isn't it now the Hyatt
By bgl
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 3:06pm
Isn't it now the Hyatt Regency ?
its both
By cybah
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 3:44pm
Its Lafayette Corporate Center, the Hyatt Regency, and Markley now.
I'd like to think your being
By anon
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 1:01pm
I'd like to think your being sarcastic but considering the South Bay parking lot is like driving in a Mad Max movie maybe not?
I can see it now
By roadman
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 1:07pm
For a truly unique shopping experience, try our new "Stalag 17 Mall."
Huh?
By lbb
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 1:26pm
I've never seen a "squeegee guy" in Boston. Where are you seeing them? This seems like something you got from a movie rather than from real life.
Confirmed
By anon
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 1:50pm
Hadn't seen one until two weekends ago, but can confirm that we now have a squeegee guy. On Mass Ave as you wait to make the left to 93.
There's one at Everett Square
By tape
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 1:54pm
There's one at Everett Square about 50% of the time that I drive through.
There's always a squeegee guy
By Lmo
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 4:17pm
There's always a squeegee guy at Melnea Cass. Your windows are getting washed, whether you like it or not.
As the other commenters have
By brianjdamico
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 8:00pm
As the other commenters have said, Mass & Cass. Not every day, but most often if you are going southbound on Mass towards the highway ramps.
On the way into South Bay
By Patricia Roberts
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 11:44pm
there is a squeegee guy. He does ask if people want their windows cleaned before doing it, though.
This sounds promising.
By Boston_res
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 10:14am
Getting rid of the demolition derby parking lot will be nice.
Also making it easier to get to the shopping center from Andrew Station and back will be good.
Shuttle
By BB from Dot
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 10:30am
Isn't there a free shuttle from Andrew to South Bay? It used to stop in front of Target.
There is.
By Boston_res
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 10:58am
I have no clue what its schedule is though. It needs to be easier to use. Getting it now, if I'm not mistaken, is kind of a crapshoot.
Crapshoot
By FenRes
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 11:45am
In more ways than one- the two times I took that shuttle (it's been a few years) the drivers were talking continuously on their hand held cellphones for the entire trip. And the shuttle interior was quite a bit below MBTA standard conditions.
Totally unreliable shuttle
By jon_
Thu, 08/06/2015 - 1:12am
I think it's supposed to run every 20 minutes, but it tends to just show up whenever the hell it feels like it. And if you're lucky enough, it'll actually pick up passengers and go - if you're not so lucky (which is more often), it'll park on the bus lane for an unspecified break. It's basically a useless service.
The 10 and 16 buses also go to South Bay (though you have to make sure you get on the 10 to Copley Sq, not City Place, and that the 16 bus actually says "South Bay" - not the ones that say UMASS or simply Forest Hills) - they aren't always on schedule either, but they tend to be much more reliable than the shuttle, IMO.
The walk from Andrew isn't all that bad either (if that's a viable option).
But yes, the shuttle service should be much much much better than it is. It would be great if this new building project also made that a priority.
YA
By anon
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 11:01am
They still run!
South Bay shuttle summary:
By tape
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 1:55pm
Fast, good, cheap: pick one.
actually,
By dotguy
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 11:18am
the existing center stays mostly the same, this is all on newly acquired land to the SE.
The main South Bay parking
By bgl
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:53pm
The main South Bay parking lot is staying - this is for the site south of it.
A lot of white people in those photos.
By Pete Nice
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 10:23am
Which is fine I guess, but seems kind of weird given the newer tradition of making these sorts of photos multicultural, usually on the extreme end (college brochure people).
Edit: I didn't even see Adam's note, looks like I'm not the only one but this one was obvious.
Very odd
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 10:34am
South Bay is a very multicultural shopping space, as are the surrounding neighborhoods, and I sincerely doubt that it will be a much different group wandering into this new neotrad "collection".
I read this, then read the Herald
By Waquiot
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 11:25am
And sure enough, I was drawn to the drawing that accompanied their article of the proposed General Heath Square Apartments in JP/Mission Hill. Less people, yes, but seemingly more diverse.
It be a cynic, perhaps people of different races and ethnicities are expected to live places, but not shop places.
They Don't Need a 10 Acre Expansion
By Brenna
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 10:31am
They don't need a 10 acre expansion, they can do this much better by demolishing what's already there and incorporating that land into a more thoughtfully designed urban shopping destination. Make the Target like City Target at Fenway, and the same model can be used for the other big box stores. Housing above, parking under, and improve access to Andrew Station. What is there now so completely under utilizes the space it occupies. Also, it's a pit and I hate going there.
I wonder if a multi-story
By anon
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 1:17pm
I wonder if a multi-story target would be easier or more difficult to monitor for shrink than the pit that's there now.
How Can It Be "Transit Oriented" When There's No Transit Nearby?
By Elmer
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 10:37am
[sup] Surely, they're not relying on the Silver Line or the once-an-hour Fairmount Line.[/sup]
South Bay is nowhere near the
By DTP
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 10:44am
South Bay is nowhere near the Silver Line. It is, however, right across 93 from Andrew on the Red Line, which the PNF says will be connected to it for pedestrians.
Also, commuter rail most definitely counts. Look at all the TOD going in out in CR land.
Bus #s 8, 10, and 16 also go
By anon
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 10:59am
Bus #s 8, 10, and 16 also go through.
You can build an apartment
By anon
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:02pm
You can build an apartment building near a once-an-hour commuter rail line, and call it transit-oriented or whatever you want, but that won't make it a neighborhood that has convenient transit access.
It has access to quite a few
By bgl
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:58pm
It has access to quite a few bus routes, a (zone 1a) commuter rail train that is 5-8 minutes to south station (at that), and a red line stop. And, eventually, the Fairmont line will become rapid transit anyways.
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