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Officer doing better after surgery
By adamg on Sun, 03/29/2015 - 4:29pm
Boston Police report that John Moynihan - shot point blank in the face Friday night underwent several hours of surgery today to remove the bullet from his neck.
Officer Moynihan is currently listed in stable and improving condition and is expected to be moved out of the Intensive Care Unit in the coming days.
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Our prayers were answered, now pray for peace in the streets of Boston
might have something to do
might have something to do with the doctors' efforts, too.
God was working through the doctors.
Or, we could just leave each to his or her own.
Why was this guy shot at all then? Was God working through the shooter, too? Why all the credit but none of the blame?
I'm glad the officer is doing better, btw, and do hope that he continues to improve.
I'm not the theologian
One idea is that the shooter has free will, and when the world was sent into motion things like physics came into play, hence the gravity of the earth is what it is, the rotations and whatnot, so when the shooter chose to commit evil, it happened. However, good came from the surgeon's hands (and of course the hands of those who also worked on the surgery and those who taught them.) Or not, but how do I know. All I know is that "Thank God" is a common phrase that certain people have decided to ridicule.
As for your second part, exactly. God, science, spaghetti monster, whatever- good news is good news, and we should not lose sight of that.
He didn't save his only
Son. What makes the rest of us better?
...we could all realize that it's 2015 and superstitions about an all powerful being who controls the universe are silly.
People could be tolerant of other people's beliefs.
...so we shouldn't even a discusison about it. Got it. "Just shut up", is what I'm getting from you.
It's worth discussing
...but that's not what this particular thread is all about. And yeah, I hear you about the reflexive "THANK GOD" response, but that's just how a lot of people have been trained to react to very good news. I wish that people's first instinct was to thank the humans who worked to save this person's life, too (my own belief is that if we understood better how easy it is to hurt and how hard it is to heal, we might be more careful of each other's lives), but it really is peripheral to the subject at hand. If you hear "Just shut up", I can't blame you, but it IS a digression here.
Let's flip the script
Let's say the first part of this thread was "thank science" or "thanks to the work of the medical professionals" that the surgery was successful (both of which I think is true) and someone interjected that it was God, not science, that allowed this man to keep on living. My thought would stay the same- some people think on way and others think another, so don't dump on someone for thinking the way they think. In a situation like this either way of thinking would seem okay, so just let people think what they think and we call all generically be thankful in our own ways that the guy is okay.
You would not like to live in a place where belief in God (or whatever) is forced and whenever you would challenge it you would be attacked. This is right. The other side of it is when some people attack people for believing in God. Neither side is right, since in the end it is all opinion. You can't disprove an omnipotent being any more than I can prove it. The polite thing, for both sides, is to keep thinking what you think and leave well enough alone.
The important thing is the guy is okay. Why can't we leave it at that?
we could all realize that sneering at people's beliefs (or non-beliefs) is pointless and rude, not to mention completely beside the point on this thread.
See the reply above...
I'm not repeating myself.
Once again I find myself trying to talk reason and logic to someone whose beliefs are rooted in ancient superstitions. If it was God who saved this officer's life, and not the doctors, then why didn't God stop the officer from being shot in the first place? Yeah, I know. It's all part of his plan, including innocent children dying of cancer. Pretty sick god if you ask me.
Well, Matthewc - no one asked
Well, Matthewc - no one asked you and really no one cares what anyone else thinks when it comes to something so personal.
Really, I find myself visiting UHub a little less lately because of just this.
You guys have jumped the shark.
You cared enough...
...to take the time to reply to me. But I'm sure you just needed to pout and stomp your feet simce someone dared challege your religious beliefs.
Also, religion is not "something so personal". It's shoved in our faces on a daily basis. And it's holding us back as a species from achieving our true potential.
Hey, I'm an atheist, too
but acting intolerant and superior doesn't help our cause. There are places where the insertion of religion bothers me a lot, but casual communication between human beings is not one of them. I mean, does it REALLY kill you if somebody expresses gratitude over a fortunate occurrence by invoking something they believe in -- as long as they're not trying to force you to believe it? If you had a critical illness, and somebody said, "I'll pray for you," would you tell them to fuck off? It's possible to gently remind people that not everybody believes in a supreme being, without shouting down everybody who dares to believe something you don't.
How am I intolerant?
Am I not allowed to state my opinions? And we need not look any further than many religious people when talking baout who does the "shouting down".
I don't think people can explain this to you well
It's not your views, or that you express your views. It's that you mock other people's views. Some people believe in God. Others don't. If you want to go on about how great science is, or human nature, sure, do that. If someone wants to express their belief that a higher power assisted with something, why can't they do that without someone saying that it is foolish to do so, even though technically there is no proof that God does not exist (it's that whole thing about proving a negative coupled with the power of belief in general.)
You will be as successful with changing people's views on this as others will be with changing your views. Just play nice with others is all we ask.
How do you even know...
...if the person you're responding to even HAS any religious beliefs? I think it was more a response to your kneejerk punchbowl-pissing, to be honest. Please stop being such a damn pill, willya?
You kind of ARE repeating yourself. Why not just wish the guy well and move on? I don't think you're making any converts here today.
Does this really seem like a smart time
to try to impose your personal beliefs on a bunch of people you don't know who are all feeling united in their cautious relief that this guy might be OK? Newsflash--it's not your job. It's not the place or time. And honestly, it just makes you sound like a pill who's missing the bigger picture.
How, exaclty, am I "imposing" my beliefs on anyone? Am I forc someone to accept what I believe or face my wrath? It's called stating an opinion. It used to mean something.
I'm glad to hear that he is stable and improving. Best wishes on a speedy recovery, Officer Moynihan.
Wonderful, wonderful news!! I
Wonderful, wonderful news!! I wish him godspeed in his recovery..
This is probably the best news I've heard all weekend.
Speedy Recovery, Sir!
Anyone else find it
Anyone else find it hypocritical that we all shed a tear over this, and yet we don't question the racism the BPD has been proven to exibit?
Not at all.
Not at all.
Communities rely on police
No.... clearly no. Communities throughout the city rely on the police for public safety and for helping to maintain the quality of neighborhood life. At public meetings throughout the city, you will often hear a call for more police presence, and hear engaged discussions about police & community residents working together. And police, forensics & law are among the professions most admired by teens & young adults -- do you ever see kids' eyes light up when they meet police officers during youth programs, career days, etc. Definitely a highly valued part of the fabric of the community. (And where there are problems, then we work for improvements. No different from schools, hospitals, etc., or anything else we value. Always work to improve community services while respecting and valuing those who provide these services.)
P.S.: And a simple "NOPE"
P.S.: And a simple "NOPE" should be enough of an answer to "963258741" - but I worry that there are enough other people who think the same way that it seemed to be worthwhile to try to explain why.
I might find it hypocritical......
If I were a moron or uneducated. Or if I didn't know what the word hypocritical meant.
best wishes officer Moynihan
no one cares about your idiotic racism card. this whole city, black, white or whatever has held its breath for 3 days praying for a guy who makes our world a safer place. save your bullshit for another day.
I'm not sure the atheists are
I'm not sure the atheists are praying.
Must we coopt this one bit of good news following an awful tragedy to spew about various not-relevant causes like racism and athiesm?
This is neither the time nor the place to be beating the political drum. I'm glad he is doing better, now let's move the politics to some other thread.
I'm not praying...
...but that does not automatically mean that I'd tolerate listening to your crazy, hateful, far left extremism for a second.
I believe we can shed tears for this officer AND question racism in the BPD. We can multi-task like that.
(and I'm a proud supporter of the ACLU, too)
However, I do think that people looking to this particular instance to show that there is racism on the part of the BPD could in fact hurt the quest for a colorblind police force, since protesting a situation like this now could be held up down the road when an actual situation occurs to show that those questing for justice do not know what justice is.
There is obviously problems with racial profiling in policing but that in no way prevents us from shedding tears of totally senseless violence directed at the police. Violence is wrong period.
You should have been on Bunker Hill Street in the seventies if you wanted to see racist cops.
Also, if you have proof that Officer Moynihan is a racist, I'm sure the rest of the class would like to see it. Other than that go back to watching Girls
Just because "the police" are racist does not mean *this officer* was racist.
Even if *this officer* could be racist doesn't mean *this stop* was racist.
Even if *this stop* could be racist doesn't mean *this outcome* was racist.
Even if racism was in any way involved with the events that night doesn't mean that it would have happened any differently even if there was no racism involved at all.
I've seen no evidence that racism had anything to do with any part of that night's reporting yet.
What part of "shot in the face" do you not understand?
Honest to God...just stop.
Stop and frisk was a reaction to a number of
young children being shot dead. These young children were shot by other children who were from the same neighborhoods and looked much like their victims. Was it an overreaction? We ask the victims families to shoulder the burden of senseless loss, blame the police and demand no personal responsibility for the environment that fosters the continued violence and murder.
Racist, kind of like Black Lives Matter Boston?
Who limited yesterday's "community meeting" to "People of Color ONLY"?
No License to Kill
Black Lives Matter is an activist group. Far different from the powers that police have.
Sounds like you need to know that simple bit. BLM is prejudiced. Cops have power to put behind any prejudice they have.
If I were a colorless resident of that neighborhood ...
... I would not be very happy to be excluded from such a meeting. This strikes me as a mis-step by BLM.
One in a series.
The videos of protesters that night have all been removed but I noted from the Herald article on BLM that the big bearded guy in back http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2015/03/black_li... was featured prominently that night baiting cops (wearing the same sweatshirt, no less) confirming that this was NOT a bunch of random neighbors. I honestly hope this group does some serious self-examination and maybe reconsiders the greater purpose of their mission.
If he's not a "random neighbor"...
...are you so very, completely sure that he's a member of BLM?
He's in the BLM photo.
Not being able to see the video anymore, no I can't be sure but he's a pretty distinctive looking guy and again--pretty sure he's wearing the same sweatshirt he was wearing in the video.
About That Study
Rather than read what the ACLU says about it, see what the guy who conducted it says, which is that the ACLU deliberately misrepresented the findings:
Although for the layperson, this sums it up pretty well:
Seriously, speak for yourself. If this is an occasion for you to reflect on your behavior and resolve to do better, hurray! But don't talk about how "we" do this and "we" don't do that.
...no. Now go away.
since when is a 41 year old a young kid?
“Knock on wood, we don’t have these incidents happen often,” Evans said. “But we’ve got too many guns out there, too many young kids running around with guns. And unfortunately, this is what happens.”
"Police say 41-year-old Angelo West of Hyde Park opened fire on Moynihan almost immediately after his vehicle was pulled over. Other officers returned fire and West died at the scene."
When will the cops stop perpetuating the myth that all violence in Boston is committed by young people?
Do ypu have any stats backing up your notion
that this is a "myth?"
In Any Event
I am so happy that Officer Moynihan is stable and improving. My best Monday wish is for him to continue to heal. (Good Thoughts.)
Officers attended neighborhood church
Officers attended Sunday Mass at the neighborhood church closest to the scene. Very impressive.
Bravo to all of the talented doctors and surgeons!!!