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Anti-Semites cost a Framingham hockey team its season
By adamg on Wed, 12/21/2016 - 5:58pm
The MetroWest Daily News reports officials at Keefe Technical High School and Marian School have called off the season for their joint hockey team after concluding "an overall toxic and negative culture that has permeated the team dynamics." The News quotes a parent who is upset the entire team has to suffer for the actions of six players she says told "jokes that mention of the Holocaust and referring to stereotypes of people who practice the Jewish faith."
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i wonder
what trump would have to say about this locker room talk?
E: i use that phrase because according to either WBZ or WCVB the coach said that the players tried to excuse it as such
Then...
...the coach was a fool to say that to the press. Don't get me wrong, the kids might have tried that. He should have put a foot down on it right away.
Thought experiment
Give the kids a choice, but decision has to be unanimous:
(a) Keep the penalty as it is. All are punished, but everyone gets to deny they were involved.
(b) Those involved confess and are named in the newspaper and not allowed to play. The others get to play.
oh good
uhub's name&shame policy extends to literal children now too
Edit: also for what it is worth, i find the whole 'its only 6 players!' thing pretty suspect. it kind of reeks of 'my child would NEVER do that'
mmhmm. i played team sports for many many years and while i cant say i remember anything such as anti semitism or racism, we definitely acted like punks sometimes and while i'm not saying it was 'all or nothing' when it comes to being dickheads on a team, it just doesnt resonate as being true, to me, that only 6 people were involved.
teams, as the name implies, have a tendency to act as a unit. we were always pretty self governing when it came to stuff like that. maybe i was lucky in who i competed with. well, i can say i am lucky, actually. i still keep in touch/keep tabs on some of those guys and they all turned out to be good people. you just would have been ostracized for something like that on my teams. OR- the majority of the team would have found it acceptable.
I'm okay with that...
... if you reach high school and don't know not to be a complete dickwad, naming and shaming is the least of the consequences you should expect.
did you write this post
from the inside of a locker?
Still a sociopath, huh?
Go seek professional help. You're damaged goods.
Yes I am
And shall remain so. Frankly, it seems inadvisable to provoke such a person. But what do I know, especially compared to you? Indeed, you serve as a constant reminder to us all that I am damaged goods in need of therapy.
I don't know about the naming: they're minors,
and I suspect many of us expressed opinions at that age that we later remembered with embarrassment and shame.
But you're not defending that bigotry, are you, scumq? It's hard to tell with you sometimes.
i would suggest
simply reading my posts
I have a better idea.
Kids are hockey players, right? The might respect toughness? So, teach them. As the classical liberals say, 'A teachable moment."
Introduce them to Captain Or Ben-Yehuda, "For her actions and bravery, Captain Ben-Yehuda was awarded Israel’s highest honor, the Medal of Valor."
http://tribunist.com/lifestyle/this-female-idf-soldier-fights-off-23-ter...
Broaden their horizons.
I agree with Scum
Naming and shaming would just throw the unpopular kids under the bus. Regardless of who actually "did it", everybody on the team heard it or knew that it was going on and did nothing to stop it.
Since, as we are so often told, team sports help to build character, this would indicate that the entire team failed in that regard and should share in the punishment.
It's not really about
It's not really about punishing the kids who said it, though. Anyone who's been around 1) teenagers or 2) the kind of morons who think "lol cuck jews" is a valid statement about anything knows that punishing them is going to accomplish nothing but have them dig in their heels, yelling and screaming about THE SJWs and race-traitors. Kindly talking them out of it doesn't work either, becuz Zomg the MSM are jews/cucks, and just allows for further radicalization. These kids are pretty lost and have achieved a weird doublethink where no adult is going to get through to them about shit.
The punishment is to show the rest of the team, who was tolerating it but maybe not participating, that civil society does not brook with this nonsense. It's an inoculation shot for those who haven't been infected yet.
Hockey
It's high school hockey, no big deal, this isn't Canada or
anything. It'll save the school money with less rink costs.
Hello, this is Massachusetts,
Hello, this is Massachusetts, where even girls high school teams are commonplace.
http://www.masshshockey.com/
Would it not be more accurate
Would it not be more accurate to state that "Anti anti-Semites cost a Framingham hockey team its season"?
The season was not cancelled by anti-semites. It was cancelled by people who opposed them.
Interesting interpretation of consequence of your actions
"Your honor, if that officer hadn't arrested me for robbing the bank, I wouldn't have been committing a crime!!"
Yeah but
Saying Anti-semitic things isn't a crime. Not a very good analogy. I think ending the season for this team, and the current trend of over punishing everybody for the actions of a few shows poor judgement on the part of the administration. Why not make something out of it, show those young men why that is not acceptable, etc?
"The Current Trend"
That's funny, I was always told that such consequences were an old-fashioned/religious school approach to discipline.
The indolent principal of the school where my husband worked kept recommending "punish the whole class" as punishment (rather than deal with the kids who were consistently instigating - that would be work!). I guess the theory was that peers would create payback? No idea.
I remember irate parents of kids in my sixth grade class (1977) hissing "this isn't parochial school" at the principal when She Who Should Not Have Been Teaching was getting totally out of line with depriving the class of recess, art, and phys ed because one kid discovered he could get everyone punished.
This is not a current trend - if anything it is antiquated.
That's the point. They're a
That's the point. They're a team and the actions of six reflect on all. It's a team's duty to squash this and they didn't. Of course this lesson seems to be beyond the understanding of this parent.
How exactly should other
How exactly should other members of the team quash this behavior? It's not their job to prosecute thought crime for you or anyone. Whatever else these parents did wrong raising these kids, at least they didn't raise vile informers.
What would YOU do?
Well, what would you do, you big grownup, if something like this happened in your workplace? Laugh at the jokes? Maintain an uncomfortable silence? What would you do?
More to the point, what effect do you think that failure to act would have on your workplace, and do you care or not about that effect?
Actually none of that is to
Actually none of that is to the point at all. These are just kids on the team. They can tell their teammates that they're wrong and to shut up, but don't have any power to make it stick. I don't buy that these kids have any sworn duty to compel their teammates to change their behavior or else just because they happen to play hockey together. Policing the kids' behavior is the job of the parents, coaches, and school administrators, who are obviously doing a pretty lousy job.
What's great is this
What's great is this punishment actually gives the kids who may want to say something more authority and ability to do it. A "dude, not cool, shut up," only goes so far with your own social currency, but a "dude, remember what happened last time, shut the fuck up before you screw us" has a bit more bite to it. If you want children to self-police their social groups you have to give the ones who care the ability to do it.
Students should sue over "anti-semitic" charges
With free speech, not to mention damage to reputation and college athletic scholarships at risk, I hope at least one of the parents has the means to hire an attorney. Do child hockey players born in the late 90's, early 2000's know anything about the holocaust?
Day after day, we see almost all of the "Trump Nazi" allegations fall apart, many of the "atrocities" committed by liberals themselves claiming to be victims. The far-left in the media and "education" race to make a statement only to be embarrassed when the truth is revealed.
Some 70+ years after the defeat of Hitler, to take young hockey players and cancel their season, is deplorable. If the ACLU was truly concerned about civil liberties, this would be a main issue. On that note, is the hockey coach, athletic director, school superintendent on the chopping block for allowing the alleged anti-semitic atmosphere to permeate? Or are the kids the only ones to suffer? Barbaric!
Dude, for real.
Dude, for real.
For real
For real
Reality + the ability to count
Hey, Fish, my grandparents survived the Holocaust. Their families did not. The Holocaust is not so long ago as you'd like to believe. Nor is it as easily forgettable as you suggest. Watch out - you sound awfully close to a Holocaust denier which would make you (to use your own word) "deplorable."
ability to count?
The Holocaust ended in 1945. Today it's 2016. The difference is 71 years. When someone says the Holocaust was 70+ years ago, why do you say it's "not so long ago as you'd like to believe?"
Where's DCF and the cops?
I think that these children should be taken away by DCF, or at least have their homes thoroughly investigated by police. Something is obviously going wrong in there, amirite?
But only because you thought that this should happen to protesters that you didn't agree with. Fair is fair, right?
Yeah, you really are out of touch
"Free speech" doesn't mean what you think it does.
Schools have a code of conduct that students agree to uphold in order to participate in activities. Many schools even include behavior that takes place outside any setting affiliated with the school or the activity. The idea is to make sure that sports teams, performance ensembles, clubs, etc., are truly open and welcoming to all, and that they represent the school. They want to make sure the school isn't sponsoring elite clubs that only welcome a narrow demographic or belief group. You know, because it's a PUBLIC school. The students agree to this in order to participate. They also agree to maintain a certain grade point average and attendance record. Being in activities is a privilege, not a right.
Students in these activities are typically less closely supervised than students in a classroom, but schools generally still try to uphold similar standards. They're legally obligated to, in fact, so that all students are safe and welcome in a PUBLIC school. If a type of comment wouldn't be welcome or appropriate in a classroom setting, it's not appropriate at a school-sponsored activity either.
well
unless you take it upon yourself to make a clock to show your electronics teacher, in which case you are a terrorist
correction
unless you take it upon yourself to
makeunassemble a clock to show your electronics teacher, in which case you are a terrorist.Welcome to post truth America.
People feel emboldened to say whatever they want because in a post Trump world its okay. Look no further than the spirited defense of this team of cowards by failed GOP candidate Mary Z Confusion.
Keep practicing
Disbanding the team until next year loses out on all sorts of ways to make these boys into better young men. I hope they didn't do that.
Cancel the games, but keep the team. Keep the practices.
At practice, same as usual -- we improve our conditioning, our stick skills, our teamwork, our skate skills, our understanding of the game.
On game days during game time (about 3 hours), we work on better understanding history and diversity. Guest speakers -- historians, victims of bigotry and hatred, various religious and secular leaders, hell even movies.
Come next year, the boys will be better hockey players and better people.
not a bad idea
but im sure its either too soft for the vengeance seeker crowd, or too harsh (HOW DARE THIS GUEST SPEAKER TALK TO MY BABIESSSSS) for the parents who have children that have never shit their pants
Seems like an overly harsh punishment...
... if this was not a repeat problem (i.e., warnings already given, training on proper behavior given, and consequences for re-violation spelled out). What could have been a learning experience will instead led to lingering resentment.
My uneducated uninformed guess.....
Is that like most MIAA teams, the coaches and staff reviewed the hazing and bullying policies with the team before the season. Every member of the team is required to report hazing, bullying, etc to the Captains or coach. I'm guessing that did not happen here and the kids and leaders of the team let this harrassment/bullying go on to the point where damage was done. At that point there is no other option but to punish everyone.
Eeka makes a good point above with sums a lot of it too.