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Parks and Rec walks us through Roslindale's proposed new playground

The Boston Parks and Recreation Department has posted an animation showing some of the features of the proposed improvements to the Healy Field playground in Roslindale:

A walk through animation of the proposed playground improvements at Healy Playground in Roslindale. For more information, please contact Cathy Baker-Eclipse at (617)961-3058 or [email protected].

Posted by Boston Parks and Recreation Department on Monday, February 1, 2016

Via Roslindale Wants to Play.

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Love that they're upgrading this, but I don't love the design.

1) I think the water feature stuff is an expense which will not get proper maintenance and fall into disrepair.
2) My kids love the bigger slides and height of the current structure. These appear to be replaced by a little slide the size of the kiddy slide currently there?
3) No sandbox? Also a hit with my kids.
4) No swings? See above.

Oh well, better to have a new meh playground I guess but I feel like they've eliminated the stuff my kids liked the best to add some climbing nets which won't accommodate a ton of kids at once. I.e. one kid will want to go from say left to right and a different kid will have to I guess wait or play elsewhere.

Don't have Facebook so like RVMS, this is a closed community thing I guess.

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1) The water feature dovetails nicely with the pool, so hopefully aquatic maintenance is available for the area. My thought all along was that if any park gets a water feature, it should be at Healy Field.
2) I cannot figure the sizes out, but good call. Short slides are boring.
3) As a parent, I can't stand sandboxes. The sand ends up everywhere, and besides, who knows what a wayward cat might do.
4) I agree entirely. Swings are awesome. They are fun for all ages.

That said, the playground there is lacking. The pity is that it was my playground as a kid.

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1) The water feature dovetails nicely with the pool, so hopefully aquatic maintenance is available for the area. My thought all along was that if any park gets a water feature, it should be at Healy Field.

It's worth noting the pool is a completely separate city department. The staff in there is solely dedicated to the pool structure and lifeguard duties. In order for them to maintain the play area - or any of it - will require a change in their job description and an uptick in pay. that ain't happening. Read "collective bargaining." They don't work for Parks & Rec. Locals already went through that when a car was stolen a few years ago. Wanted them trained to be security guards as well. Union reps said, 'sure for more money.'

2) I cannot figure the sizes out, but good call. Short slides are boring.

It appears to be designed for the much-younger crowd.

Note on Trees... The design shows plans without obstructions. The Adams Park plan showed no fences which people found confusing as well.

3) As a parent, I can't stand sandboxes. The sand ends up everywhere, and besides, who knows what a wayward cat might do.

Sand boxes are out and are being removed all over the city as a health risk. Local animals, on leash, or cats, or even the wild variety such as skunk, opossum, and squirrel will use them as a litter box. Ditto mice and other such. You might even get some nasty insects nesting there as well. So... no more sandboxes. They turn into litter boxes.

4) I agree entirely. Swings are awesome. They are fun for all ages.

Great idea. Love it. Liability however, and as noted it appears to be set up for the really young - like the post-diaper crowd.

That said, the playground there is lacking. The pity is that it was my playground as a kid.

The prior plans had them developing the other side of the driveway with picnic tables and similar for a broader range of people. Looks like that is out. Billings had a nice play area.

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Closed community? There have been multiple advertised public meetings, online feedback solicited, 311, contacts to city councilors or officials, or really any means by which to provide input outside of posting here if you want to.

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It's a bummer when places like Ros Main Street and this playground group run everything through Facebook. For example, that link above only works for registered Facebook users.

I know and appreciate there has been a lot of community outreach about this - I just think Facebook platform isn't a great vehicle for open public outreach.

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Understood. But, it's not all run through Facebook. You can see reviews of past meetings here: http://roslindaleplaygrounds.org/blog/

And the video itself is embedded in this UHub post.

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Are you sure you're thinking of Healy Field? The current playground there does not have a big slide, sandbox, or swings. In fact, everyone who I have ever spoken to about that playground thinks the structures there are pretty lame and are really eager to see them replaced. Maybe you're thinking of Fallon Field, which does have all of those features; after its renovation it will have a much bigger slide and will still have swings (the sandbox will be going away, however).

I personally would have loved to have seen swings included at Healy, but the site is pretty small and swings have a really, really big safety radius. There are certainly other improvements I'd like to see, some of them along the same lines that you suggested, but I think there's a bit more to this design than you might realize just from the fly-by video. You can read my take on the design here.

As for this:

Don't have Facebook so like RVMS, this is a closed community thing I guess.

You're hitting me pretty hard here, since I make no secret of my involvement in both RVMS and Roslindale Wants to Play (although I have much more say over how the latter uses social media than the former). There were three public meetings to discuss this design, but the turnout was not that great. If there were a more universal social media platform than our combination of a web site (which does allow interested readers to subscribe) and a Facebook group that we could manage just on our volunteer time, we would certainly look into using it. We did our best at getting the word out - beyond Facebook and our web site, there were flyers available at the community centers, mentions in the weekly RVMS newsletter, and articles in the Transcript, along with whatever outreach the Parks Department did. I do really wish that more people had made it to the meetings, though - they're always much, much better when more people do.

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My reactions were based on this being Fallon, like a dumbass.

Healey is smaller and this makes is much more sense.

Facebook still sucks.

I should go to RVMS meetings - when are they?

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The big annual meeting is coming up on April 12. It's usually in March but it is being pushed back this year because Easter, and hence the egg hunt, is in March this year. There are also committee meetings that happen at various other times; RVMS is always looking for volunteers to join those committees; if you're interested, you can get started here.

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I agree that the design is NOT what most users want & like. Also, it appears that much existing vegetation, most especially, established trees will be unnecessarily removed. Why? Isn't there a work-around to preserve/keep these? Or, is this just another make-work project?

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I believe that one tree is being removed and two are being added. A lot of the other vegetation is lost to safety surfacing, which is non-negotiable part of playground designs these days. There was some concern about the large asphalt area in the middle of the playground, but the designers were unsure whether a natural surface would hold up to wear and tear well enough. I'm curious about what other aspects of the design are not "what most users want & like," though. Not everything in this design received a completely enthusiastic response at the public meetings, but I don't think the general attitude was that the design was completely off-base in the way that you imply.

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AHHH....Set scene delay to 0 seconds! And don't go through objects!!!

There. I feel better now.

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Is that a 4-hole rotating iron maiden?

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There was much hand-wringing a few years back when Hynes field (on the VFW) was considering a water feature. They put it in and it's always crowded with kids on a hot day. The city has been good about keeping it in working order.

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Yup! I go out of my way to find playgrounds with a water feature because my kid is nuts about playing with water.

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If someone smarter than me can put this image in a comment, I'd appreciate it. I tried, and failed.

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As somebody who could only attend the first meeting, I think the results are OK. The decision not to expand the footprint ensured that the final product is underwhelming. But as a substitute of what is there right now, it is great!

Now, what about the "Poplar Street Play Area" (Seriously, that is the name it has in google maps)?. Right now it is an empty lot mainly for dogs. Located in the area of Roslindale furthest away from any playground. I have heard concerns about the slope, but anybody who has seen the new design for Fallon can see this has to be just an excuse. When designers use their imagination it can work very well. We went to the "Brewer-Burroughs Playground" in JP this past (lovely) Sunday. It is exactly what I would love the Poplar lot to be (It is also situated in between residential buildings and size is similar). It was really crowded and you could see how it anchors the whole area and brings tons of value.

One can only dream!

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I think one of the interesting things is the brush in the back. Were that cut down, there would be a lot more space, but I also think some of the neighbors might have started to use the land upslope.

Interesting fact- it was the first place Sacred Heart Church held masses. It was owned by the Archdiocese for a long time before the city got the land.

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I don't think more space is needed. Counting only the space that is grass as of today, I get (google maps 10 seconds measurement) 825 m^2 (sorry, european here). The "Brewer-Burroughs Playground" in JP I mentioned before has 750 m^2 (with the same technique, so lots of error, but the ballpark is the same).

We don't need a big thing, we'll have the new Fallon with more than double the space. We just need a small thing that can be used every day without a car. We could actually give the extra space to the neighbors if that is what it takes to get the OK.

PS Cool story!

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We have talked to the Parks Department about Poplar Street Play Area several times, but unfortunately there are no plans to develop the lot. The big concerns from the Parks Department are cost and access - they have apparently looked at the site and determined that developing it in a way that meets accessibility guidelines would be prohibitively expensive. We had high hopes for that lot, because the 2008-2014 open space plan included the following paragraph:

The Department’s inventory includes an undeveloped parcel known as the Poplar Street Play Area. It is located in a well-developed residential area south of Roslindale Village that is underserved by play lots. A portion of the property along its street frontage may be amenable to play lot development. Depending on neighborhood interest, site feasibility, and budgetary considerations, this site may help address this sub-neighborhood’s childhood recreation needs.

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Yes, as a follower of your work (thanks!), I knew that. But with the few months I have had to collect information about this, and a few emails exchanged, I cannot help but think that there is more than meets the eye (i.e. very strong neighbor opposition) because the sentence:

they have apparently looked at the site and determined that developing it in a way that meets accessibility guidelines would be prohibitively expensive.

Makes absolutely no sense for anybody who has seen the Fallon plan. Fallon is in a hill!!! A real hill!!

As they say "where there's a will, there's a way", and clearly here, there is no will. I think it is fair to ask why.

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