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Ok, so who do they think did
Ok, so who do they think did it? The little old Old Revere Italian lady who lives in the neighborhood?
Try reading the article
The answer's in there.
read it twice, still dont know who did it
im guessing it was some asshole with a "boston accent"?
why did it take so long for everyone to come out? if the cops were banging on my door and telling me to come out id probably do whatever I needed to do to calm the situation. I don't think id hide inside, no matter how afraid I might have been. then again this is the revere police department so you never really know do you?
what happened
It was probably a fake 911 call to get that building searched.
Why wouldn't they come out? And why would they want too? look at what happened anyways.
These people are Muslim.. not a good thing to be these days. So much Islamophobia today. Plus WCVB reported that many do not speak English so many were not really aware of what was going on.
This is a clear case if Islamophobia and hatred of immigrants. Not surprised at all. I've seen the battle of the old Revere residents vs the new ones (who are immigrants). Many of the old timers in Revere feel their town is going into the tubes because of the immigrants, so they try to push them out as much as possible. I think this was their way of saying "Get out and stay out, or we'll do this again".
Sad that people are unwillingly to accept that.. Revere is changing. The days of Wonderland Amusements and the beach are long gone and they just have to accept that like everywhere else in the metro area.. it's going to change.
You cracked the case
You cracked the case detective!
Unless of course, this was just a case of the dangerous "swatting" calls that are happeneing across the country?
Nah, let's go with your tirade instead! It'll generate more comments.
oh anon
oh anon.. you're such a smart guy. How about you run numbers to compare these swatting calls against people who are islamic. I bet you'd find a connection....
Public interest drove police to dig
Last night they reported the details about the 911 call and played it on the news. They did not report last night about not finding a weapon or child but the Globe did today.
Anyone know what data is recorded about call origination into 911 centers?
The Moroccans were SWAT-ed That's sad and sick. They accused them of having a child who wasn't their child. My take is 911 caller wants them out of the neighborhood and was hoping the response to the 911 call would yield results. (What if 5-0 made the 911 call?)
So they entered on the premise of exigent circumstances. Does that hold or would anything they found be fruit of a poison tree?
OK, let's take a closer look at your answer
Why do you suppose swatting happens? Because someone likes to see SWAT teams run around? And they're just sending them to random addresses?
Swatting happens to punish people
There are people who make hoax calls to SWAT teams to punish people they're angry with (that's why they've made a verb out of it, because it's happened so much more in the past few years.) It's a frequent tactic used, for example, by Gamergaters against women in the game development industry who's speech they don't like.
It's a very dangerous tactic (as this shows). And especially dangerous against people with poor English. In this case, the SWAT team arrived in the early hours of the morning. The police didn't phone - they shouted with megaphones and the residents had trouble understanding what was being said (*I* have trouble understanding what's being shouted through megaphones - it fuzzes up the sound).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting
which is exactly what cybah
which is exactly what cybah described...
"It is your theory or it is swatting" is not a valid response to someone describing swatting.
Yes, yes... till it's "NIMBI"
Yes, yes... till it's "NIMBI" - right?
Not in my back... ignorance?
Not in my back... ignorance? islamophobe? imadildo?
I disagree that's it's a
I disagree that's it's a "clear case" of islamaphobia. The person who called this in might not like one of the residents for any number of reasons not related to religion or national origin. Or maybe they got the wrong address and the object of their aggression lives next door. Or maybe the person is doing it because the residents were foreigners. Whatever the case, I disagree that it's currently a " clear case."
Gee I don't know
You know we have a presidential candidate calling for violence against people. And a massive hatred toward Islam in this country right now.
If it quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
Massive hatred? No.
Massive hatred?
No.
Two can play this game...
Yes.
Would you know?
Patricia, you're not a Muslim and you don't look like one, which means you can safely ignore their situation -- and it sounds like you do. Just "No", that's all you've got. So what would count for "massive hatred" in your book? A presidential candidate vowing to block immigration of all Muslims -- and being greeted with loud cheers from his brownshirt-wannabee followers? Hmm, guess we've got that. A woman minding her own business on the subway getting threatened and screamed at by a stranger, and no one intervenes? Well, I guess we've got that too. A man being attacked, possibly killed, because he's dark-skinned or wearing a turban or has a beard and so he looks like a Muslim? Gee, I guess we've had some of that too. So, Patricia -- now that we've established that none of this is any skin off your pink nose, exactly what would it take to amount to "massive" in your view?
You have no idea what I look
You have no idea what I look like - FAIL right there.
Gee, out of a population of 319 approx million I do not think Islamophobia is our biggest threat. Anti Semitism is still #1 and growing, imho
I have been discriminated against, sexually attacked, lived through gropings and innuendos and still manage to live my life. But, I'm not the right "kind" for you to care enough. Hypocrite
A woman was screamed at on the subway?? Who would've ever thought that. I've had worse happen to me on a subway - does that count? Is my skin color not the "right" color for you?
pfft.
Angry person you are.
Oh please
You're right, I don't. So tell me I'm wrong, tell me that you're in any way visibly different than the average white native-born American woman.
Well, you do state this as your opinion, and there's no arguing with that. But, while I'd certainly agree that antisemitism is a problem in this country, and that many people don't recognize it as such, or think it's no longer a problem (which I'd vigorously disagree with), I'm wondering what criteria you're using to claim that antisemitism is "#1", and wondering even more why you think there's some kind of contest.
Let me help you, Patricia -- this thread is about the possible swatting of a group of Moroccan immigrants. It isn't about other people's various experiences with discrimination. Discussing the issue at hand does not invalidate any of these experiences, but it's not the issue at hand. If you want to discuss a different issue, there are many ways to do this, but in this context, it's a derail. The childish attempt at emotional blackmail ("I'm not the right 'kind' for you to care enough. Hypocrite") is simply laughable.
No, Patricia, in the discussion of the possible swatting of a group of Moroccan immigrants, and the larger issue of Islamophobia in America, your experience of being screamed at in the subway does not "count". But you're so determined to try and score oppression points, I don't expect you to get that.
You see hate everywhere?
There could be a thousand reasons for what happened, most have to do with things like former friends, GFs, BFs, etc., who're vindictive.
You never seem to waste any opportunity to bring out accusations of racism, homophobia, and any of the other 'isms' and phobias. I understand it's close to Hillary's coronation and you're trying to keep the true believer social justice warriors radicalized, at keast until she wins, but at least attempt to not be so predictable and obvious.
oh anon, so smart anon
You're so smart at trying to sum me up by what I post on Uhub. /sarcasm
You don't know me. So STFU as you have zero clue about who I am, what I am about, and what I've been through.
Maybe if you did, you would would feel vastly differently.
Moroccans
There are plenty in my neighborhood. Very nice, mostly keep to themselves. I am not sure of any trouble they have caused anywhere in the US.
However, this is how you marginalize a people by making them unnecessary targets of abuse. Keep up the good work, xenophobes.
"clear case"?
Maybe it is. maybe not. Maybe it's a neighbor who thinks these folks took his parking spot, or a business associate trying to settle a beef. Maybe we wait a bit for the investigation before concluding the case with such certainty?
Boston accent?
"A bomb, Khed! A Baby Fucking Bomb, Dude! What is that, Bro? Call the aquarium, Khed, I mean Bomb Squad!"
Why did it take so long to come out?
I don't know what happened in this case. But I have several friends who are immigrants, and all of them are fearful of the police. In many countries the police knocking on your door means you are about to be arrested, detained for a long time, tortured, and maybe killed, or just made to "disappear". Immigrants from Central America, the Mideast, and parts of Asia are justifiably afraid of the police in their country of birth, and I can understand why some of them are fearful of police in this country.
Furthermore, I can understand the fear of police knocking on your door in the middle of the night.
I had the experience of police knocking on my door at 5 AM once. They had a warrant for someone, but they had the wrong address, and that was my address. I heard the doorbell, looked outside and saw 2 police cars. I was filled with fear. Although I chose to answer the door, I can understand the fear that might prevent someone else from answering the door.
Suggestion to Revere Police. Release the 911 tape. Lets see if anyone recognizes the voice.
Cops also didn't bang on
Cops also didn't bang on doors.
From :
"Swatting" is attempted murder
People know from the news that SWAT breaching a home does sometimes result in someone getting killed, even when the people inside are innocent. This has happened many times, and people have heard of it.
There is a history of the practice of Swatting, most recently with psychopath gamers doing it to online streaming gamers. With the bonus that they get to see it happen in streaming video.
I could also imagine crazy people Swatting immigrant neighbors, who they wrongly imagine are terrorists, or who they just don't like.
I'm calling it attempted murder.
Hoax/ Mistakes
After last weeks gun battle with police in Eastie one can understand the stress police officers are experiencing. That being said if the responding officers interviewed neighbors and no one heard gunfire what is the justification without a warrant to smash doors in and take citizens out in handcuffs.
Gunpowder
Hilarious that the Revere PD couldn't keep their mouths shut and claimed to smell "gunpowder" (from the 1780s era muskets we all collect in MA) and used that as justification for their actions.
I'm not anti police as a rule, but time and time again they've shown that they will completely make up any excuse to absolve themselves of responsibility - no matter how flimsy or easily disproven.
This isn't a "bad apple," situation - this was just police culture at work. Before we even know what happened they have a justification cooked up that has no basis in fact. No "wait and see," no "no comment." A firm justification for the escalation of force that turns out to be completely detached from reality.
one contrivance or two
The 911 caller reported a gunshot [and a child. A child? What?] A policeman smelling gun powder "confirmed" the 911 caller was right about the gun being fired at that address. Yes it all sounds contrived but it's not clear if it is one contrivance or two.
policeman smelling gun powder?
I thought their sense of smell was "subjective"? does this only pertain to weed?
Sulfur
There is a very distinctive smell after a gun is fired, so it's not far fetched. They should have brought in a dog, which is what a larger police force would do. Maybe Revere doesn't have them, don't know.
I smell gunpowder
Funny, I smell (expletive).
"I smell gunpowder"
Is that going to be the new "I smell marijuana"?
"I smell gunpowder"
"He was driving erratically."
Exigent circumstances
Case law (even in far-left Massachusetts Courts) has always allowed officers to enter without a warrant under "exigent circumstances" and this is a perfect example of that. The caller, sounding sober and quite concerned, reporting shots fired and he was going back inside to rescue his child.
To suggest waking up a judge and applying for a warrant is absurd. Although helpful, K9s trained in ballistics are sometimes wrong or too late. If the police had walked away after a negative K9 search and a massacre was discovered the next day, they would hang. The police have a duty to care and it appears they did.
As for foreigners unable to understand verbal commands in English, I would politely suggest they learn the primary language of their new country. Many before them have and prospered. I'm glad only feelings were hurt in this incident. A job well done by Revere PD!
Care to add your justification...
... for trashing these poor folks' premises and possessions.
Good discussion
O-Fish,
I think this is a great discussion, and a good one to have in public. Totally understand that police have to act on reasonable suspicion, and 'exigent circumstances'. I also understand officers desire to protect themselves. And also agree that the entire thing seems to have been exacerbated by people who refused to come out once they were clearly awake and aware of what was going on. (if they were, in fact, aware of what was going on before dawn).
But there are a few places where my understanding starts to break down and I'd love to hear where the Police are coming from.
- If a 'suspect' that is not violently resisting (or even just being un-cooperative), what's the justification for the 'felony take-down' or whatever we call throwing someone on the ground face first?
- Once a building is preliminary secure, what's the justification for breaking glasses and throwing clothes around, etc? Even the TSA just moves your stuff aside to search it. I understand the need to search, but not to trash the place.
- Once it's established that it was some type of false-alarm or mistake, why the hell doesn't the police dept sincerely apologize, and then at the very least, immediately send a carpenter to replace damaged doors, locks and windows? And oh yeah, pick up the shell from the gas.
Like you, I'm glad nobody was hurt, and I don't fault the Revere PD if they acted in good faith, which I hope they did. But without more information, I'm not sure of that yet, and not sure yet that it was such a job well-done.
Waking up a judge?
Isn't Harry Anderson awake?
Maybe the Morrocans had
Maybe the Morrocans had hearing difficulty. Maybe the RPD had unintelligible Boston accents.