Hey, there! Log in / Register

Baker offers bill to let police hold some immigrants for ICE

WBUR reports the governor's proposal, in response to last week's Supreme Judicial Court ruling, would only be for people who pose a public-safety risk. The ACLU, though, says the proposal is really broader than that. The state's highest court ruled local authorities can't detain people on an ICE request if they aren't facing any criminal charges.

Topics: 

Ad:
Like the job UHub is doing? Consider a contribution. Thanks!

Comments

Do not have constitutional rights, they are however given due process under by the constitution. You think the ACLU you make that distinction.

up
Voting closed 0

Due process IS a constitutional right. Yes, people on American soil have certain constitutional rights, regardless of their citizenship (key exception being that a native-born American citizen cannot be kicked out of the country).

up
Voting closed 0

The ACLU can read the constitution, which only distinguishes between citizens and noncitizens in a few particular areas. Due process is not one of these areas.

Here is the text of the first section 14th Amendment for you, whose drafters were quite able to distinguish between citizens and persons:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

up
Voting closed 0

God bless President Bill Clinton for signing the 1996 Illegal Immigrant Reform Act, giving local police the authority to enforce immigration laws. Governor Baker should reach out to President Trump and allow any willing state and local police officer to be deputized by ICE and attend a swearing in ceremony at the TD Garden, DCU Center (Worcester Centrum) or other large venue. It would be a capacity crowd.

On a micro level, our elected Sheriffs (mostly Democrat) have done a nice job deputizing local police. Folks might be surprised that jurisdiction for local officers usually ends at the city/town line but if sworn in as a deputy sheriff, the powers extend throughout the county. Officers who work in areas that adjoin a different county are often sworn in there, too. No extra pay but the authority to act. Baker should follow the lead of our sheriffs and reach out to the feds to empower our police to do their jobs with certainty. The law is the law.

up
Voting closed 0

I thought Sheriffs in MA had no powers outside of running jails and weren't considered 'real' law enforcement by most local police departments and the MSP. Though to be fair the MSP and former MDC didn't consider anyone but themselves 'real' law enforcement.

To my understanding deputies in MA don't have arrest powers beyond what's available (some cities don't even allow them to carry handcuffs) to sworn constables?

up
Voting closed 2

In any event, the authority of a deputy sheriff to make the arrest in this case is recognized by statute. An officer "authorized to make arrests" who is in uniform or conspicuously displaying his badge of office may arrest without a warrant any person who, the officer has probable cause to believe, has operated or is operating a motor vehicle while under the influence of intoxicating liquor. G. L. c. 90, Section 21 (1986 ed.). A deputy sheriff's authority to make an arrest of a person for a breach of the peace is inherently recognized in G. L. c. 37, Section 13 (1986 ed.)" - Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court

---
Sheriffs and their deputies indeed have police powers to arrest on probable cause for misdemeanors with a statutory right of arrest, breach of the peace and all felonies. Same as your local police, except sheriffs and deputies have that power countywide. That's why local cops, especially drug detectives who may follow a dealer through several towns, seek to be sworn as deputy sheriffs. The T Police have full jurisdiction in any town with a train track or bus stop (78 towns at last count), while MSP and Environmental Police have statewide jurisdiction. An Environmental officer can give you the same ticket and fine as a Trooper statewide or even arrest you for shoplifting at CVS. Baker must ask Trump to deputize state and local officers seeking to use their training and education to enforce the law.

up
Voting closed 0

Can someone give me the gist of this

up
Voting closed 2

When fishy posts now.. its like Charlie Brown's Teacher now.

Wah wah wah.. wah wah wah.. wah wah.

up
Voting closed 0

It should be:

Lib Lib Lib... Lib Lib Lib... OBAMA (Think duck duck goose)

I don't understand why someone who seemingly hates Boston area residents and politicians sticks around here. He could move to any number of rural states and feel right at home. He's still get his pension.

up
Voting closed 0

Goose step.

up
Voting closed 6

.

up
Voting closed 0

Guten tag, Mike. I am just curious, why are you needing clarification on what he said in particular? I don't recal you being unclear on any other commenter. Does this topic in particular appeal to you? Have you overextend a visa and are concerned? Are you new to this blog and will need further clarity on many posts? Just curious...

up
Voting closed 2

His conflation of legality with moral propriety, and his vision of filling a hall with people cheering the removal of undesirables, reminded me of an episode in not-too-distant German history, that's all.

up
Voting closed 1

I don't know if you're just ignorant about Nazi Germany and/or the Holocaust or if you just think that like, omg, everyone who doesn't agree with me is *literally Hitler*? There are zero similarities between what Fish (silly as he may be) said vs. that stuff you just wave off "in not-too-distant German history".

Clearly, you understand the difference between the between the role of ICE and the Gestapo. Clearly. Don't be moron.

up
Voting closed 4

Stop reenacting Nazi German history, and people will stop pointing out how you are reenacting Nazi German history.

Simple.

up
Voting closed 0

There is no right to a court-appointed attorney in immigration court.

So if you are a US citizen and are accused of being an undocumented immigrant, horror stories like this happen:

http://www.npr.org/2017/08/01/540903038/u-s-citizen-held-by-immigration-...

up
Voting closed 1

There will always be corner cases like that, no matter what the rules are.

Overall I haven't heard any other anecdotes (let alone stats) showing that ICE is a problem for legal immigrants. All the news today is focused on illegal-but-not-criminal immigrants.

up
Voting closed 0

Overall I haven't heard any other anecdotes (let alone stats) showing that ICE is a problem for legal immigrants

They have detained a number of DACA recipients. Also, one of their preferred tactics lately seems to be to detain those who are trying to be legal (e.g., those showing up official procedures such as immigration checkins, applying for green cards or asylum, etc.).

up
Voting closed 0

Technically, DACA people are not in the country legally. Those first 2 letters stand for "deferred action," which implies that they were legally on the way out the door, with the action being, well, deferred.

up
Voting closed 1

Then how about this? You OK with that?

The cult of compliance says trust the people in uniform and don't be afraid because you're "legal". And as long as you're white enough, hey, you probably won't have a problem. So no problem, right?

up
Voting closed 0

That's one case on the edges.

It was interesting to finally read the backstory. I'm not saying DHS did right by the guy, as they didn't, but there was a tiny bit more to the story than I heard before. The guy should totally be able to sue, since the Feds screwed the pooch on this one.

As for the DACA folk, at the end of the day they are not in the country legally (as opposed to the Mr. Watson you cited.)

up
Voting closed 0

So, there are no white illegals in your small little mind? Say, Ireland for example? Or any other European countries? Why do you self loathe? Were your grandparents in the slave trade or something disgusting like that?

up
Voting closed 2

So, there are no white illegals in your small little mind? Say, Ireland for example? Or any other European countries? Why do you self loathe? Were your grandparents in the slave trade or something disgusting like that?

Oooh, you got me. I'm a self-loathing white person. Yeah, I know that of all the flagrant violations of immigration law committed by Irish nationals in the Boston area, every now and then they get one. I also know that besides the one recent case of an Irish national that got departed, which got a great deal of attention, ICE has arrested many more latino people, particularly targeting activists. Contrast that with their stated intention of targeting dangerous criminals, which is not borne out by the facts.

up
Voting closed 0

The 3 year story is an outrage. The DACA story? Not so much.

up
Voting closed 0

The DACA story? Not so much.

OK, I'll bite. Why not?

up
Voting closed 1

WBUR reports the governor's proposal, in response to last week's Supreme Judicial Court ruling, would only be for people who pose a public-safety risk.

Well gosh, that sure sounds good -- at least to people with a two-second attention span. As any number of not-pretend law enforcement officials in this commonwealth will tell you, they already have all the powers they need to detain violent offenders; they don't need a mandate to act as ICE's butt-wipers in order to do so.

up
Voting closed 2

Meanwhile on right wing public radio:

http://www.wbur.org/news/2017/08/02/rmv-identity-theft

Six people, including four clerks at the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles, were arrested Wednesday in connection with an alleged scheme to produce false identification documents.

According to a statement from the U.S. attorney's office, "some of the false identities and addresses were used to fraudulently register to vote in the City of Boston."

Secretary of State William Galvin told WBUR that his office received, from the Department of Homeland Security, 30 names of people who had allegedly purchased phony IDs from the RMV. Of those 30, Galvin said 10 had registered to vote using fraudulent information, and none had actually voted.

The investigation began in October 2015, when state police received an anonymous letter that alleged, according to the U.S. attorney, "that a corrupt RMV employee was providing stolen identifications and drivers’ licenses to individuals seeking false identifications."

The investigation revealed that the four RMV clerks — employees at the Haymarket Service Center in Boston — were allegedly working with two other people — a document dealer and a document vendor — to provide licenses and IDs to unauthorized immigrants for cash.

up
Voting closed 0

Governor. Finally a politician with common sense

up
Voting closed 2