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Boston council passes ban on plastic bags

By adamg on Wed., 11/29/2017 - 1:04 pm

The City Council today unanimously approved a measure that would ban thin plastic shopping bags and enact a 5-cent fee on paper bags and thicker plastic bags, as a way of reducing litter, helping the environment and curbing the use of the oil required to make them.

The measure, proposed by City Councilor Matt O'Malley (West Roxbury and Jamaica Plain) and Michelle Wu (at large), would go into effect in a year if approved by Mayor Walsh.

O'Malley said the measure would save the city money just in reducing the amount of bags the city's recycling company is now forced to spend "hours each day" picking out of recycling collections - in addition to leading to cleaner streets and parks and reducing the amount of plastic that birds and other creatures now consume inadvertently.

"Their convenience does not outweigh the significant costs associated with them," O'Malley said.

O'Malley estimated city residents now use 357 million of the bags a year. The proposed 5-cent fee would be a way to "incentivize" residents to increase their use of reusable bags without being too onerous, he said.

At the same time, Councilor Ayanna Pressley (at large) urged the city to look at ways to distribute free reusable bags in low-income neighborhoods and among seniors. She noted that people who shop at some supermarkets, such as Save-a-Lot in Roxbury, already face a fee for getting store-supplied fees - and that shoppers there are showing their preference for a more environmentally friendly future.

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Who gets the 5c fee

By EM Painter
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 1:20pm

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Plastic Bag Fee

By markg
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:36pm

Not the city if that's what you're asking

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I think that's what he was asking...

By dmcboston
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 9:06pm

Just sayin'.

So, having done no research on the new ordinance, I don't know. But I do have a question...who gets the bugs that will inevitably get into all those repeatedly reused bags? You know, the ones that will crawl into the bags (not yours, of course, you rinse them out every time you use them) as they are stored on a shelf waiting to be brought back to the store?

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Can you elaborate?

By ElizaLeila
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 8:02am

But I do have a question...who gets the bugs that will inevitably get into all those repeatedly reused bags? You know, the ones that will crawl into the bags (not yours, of course, you rinse them out every time you use them) as they are stored on a shelf waiting to be brought back to the store?

Is there an issue with bugs in bags that are reused?

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This is awful.

By anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 1:24pm

What a bunch of jerks. Really, everything that is going on in the world and you're worrying about plastic bags? Don't hurt yourselves patting each other on the back.

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Yes, trying not to leave a

By Kinopio
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:10pm

Yes, trying not to leave a huge mess for future generations is awful. Why should we pick up the mess we create? I guess we will all starve to death now because humanity wasn't able to acquire food before the plastic bag was invented. Thanks ObAMA....not!!1!

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I'm all for reducing or

By Mike S
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:27pm

I'm all for reducing or eliminating plastic bags...but why add a 5cent fee on paper bags?!?

If the goal is to reduce plastic, then either a) ban them or b) add fees, like 5cents per bag

Don't also add fees for paper bags!!! Why are you making it harder to purchase groceries for Boston residents?!?

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California has banned plastic

By Matt
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:40pm

California has banned plastic bags in the whole state and I believe paper bags have a 10 cent fee, DOUBLE Boston's. Some how the world keeps turning and CA still has the largest economy in the country. Bring reusable bags to the market, I've been doing it for years.

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I'm not sure Cali is the problem

By dmcboston
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 8:53pm

Here's a link to a National Geographic story about plastic being disposed in the ocean. Now, it seems from the article that the US isn't the biggest part of the problem.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/02/1...
As a relatively rich country, we can do a lot to try to alleviate the problem. Poor countries just dump all the junk into the rivers that eventually feed into the ocean.
"The new study also identifies the major sources of plastic debris and names the top 20 countries generating the greatest amount of ocean-bound trash. China is first. The United States is 20th. The rest of the list includes 11 other Asian countries, Turkey, five African countries, and Brazil."

Considering the amount we generate, the infrastructure we have to recapture it, the problem seems to be other, poorer countries.

But I get it. You're (not specifically poster) doing something about the plastic bags. Good for you. So virtuous.

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fees

By johnmcboston
Fri, 12/01/2017 - 11:26am

I believe the ordinance says a MINIMUM fee of 5 cents. Who knows what kind of fees one might see, depending on the store.

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Obama?

By Ishmael Jones
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:42pm

What does Obama have to do with it?

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WOOSH!

By zetag
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:07pm

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Yes I am worried about it -

By Finn
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:31pm

Yes I am worried about it - and you would be too if you saw this and had an ounce of common sense:
https://inhabitat.com/shocking-caribbean-photos-re...

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everything that is going on

By Fitz
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:36pm

everything that is going on in the world and you're worrying about plastic bags?

What a dumb statement. There is literally nothing more important than the world itself and plastic bags are helping to destroy it. Open a book.

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Whataboutism

By anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:05pm

Is for children.

Be quiet now. Grownups are talking about the serious environmental impact of plastic bags on our ecosystem. Just because you choose not to do your homework, doesn't mean that you get to derail grownup discussion.

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But what about...

By dmcboston
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 8:54pm

...the people that have to carry their dog shit around with them instead of placing it in the (closed for the winter because frozen dogshit is no fun) solar powered dogshit containers AG wrote about last week?

They recycle their bags.

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The great thing about plastic

By anon
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 7:57am

The great thing about plastic is it doesn't disappear. Ask around to your neighbors for all the bags they have wadded up in a corner somewhere.

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That's the problem.

By dmcboston
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 11:48am

UV light breaks down plastic. Ask any greenhouse operator.
So, throw the bags up into the trees and eventually they will break down.

On a more serious note, the plastic is a petrochemical product. Separate them out, put them in a landfill, in a while (a long while) they might be worth mining.

Gotta think of the future.

Keeping plastic out of the ocean is great. Look up 'drift net fish kills'. Nets are like Martians on 'War of the Worlds'.

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What?

By ElizaLeila
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 8:04am

No they don't.

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Right

By perruptor
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 8:34am

They re-use them once. They don't recycle them.

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Years ago...

By dmcboston
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 9:34am

...a guy in Arizona built a house out of old beer bottles and adobe mud.

The article praised him for recycling the bottles. Yet, they were only used twice.

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I'd say that every time that

By blues_lead
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 11:56am

I'd say that every time that house shelters him or his stuff or his friends/family from something, those bottles are being used

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Empty out the turds

By Kaz
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 2:02pm

Dump out the turds, keep the bag for next time.

Then you're recycling them.

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Two things

By Gary C
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 1:31pm

1) Typo: "a fee for getting store-supplied fees..."

2) What is the definition of a "thin" bag versus a "thicker" bag?

P.S. People! You cannot put plastic bags into the recycling bins. I guess people will just never get that.

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Recycling bins

By downtown-anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:03pm

Boston has been encouraging people to use plastic bags over recycling bins for recycled trash for a few years now.

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What

By EM Painter
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:18pm

Are we supposed to bag the recycling in plastic bags?

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Depends where you live

By anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 5:07pm

From what I understand, if you live in a neighborhood that uses the blue recycle bins, you are not supposed to put any plastic bags in with the recycling.

I think some neighborhoods use clear plastic bags instead of the blue bins.

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Most stores take them back

By dmcboston
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 8:54pm

Most stores take them back. They have bins in the front accessway of the store for that purpose.

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Per Boston.gov

By ElizaLeila
Mon, 12/04/2017 - 3:34pm

https://www.boston.gov/departments/public-works/re...

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A fee for paper bags is ridiculous

By SteveE
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 1:35pm

This seems to mirror Cambridge's bag policy, though with lower paper bag costs (Cambridge is 10 cents). I prefer Somerville's policy where you get free paper bags. Sometimes you didn't intend to go to the supermarket and you don't have your bags. In Cambridge and soon Boston, you'll be "taxed" because of that. If a merchant is willing to give away free paper bags, that should be their choice. This law should have allowed for the bag surcharge if the store decided it was in their best interest (to make up for their difference in cost between paper and plastic).

RE Pressley's remarks: free paper bags would have addressed the issue for low income residents and seniors.

RE O'Malley's remarks: the dire environmental concern only applies to the plastic bags, not paper (so paper should be free).

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You aren't being "taxed" for

By Kinopio
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:07pm

You aren't being "taxed" for forgetting bags. You are being taxed for being wasteful. All that litter and pollution costs countless dollars to clean up. You can't go a block in this city without seeing a plastic bag stuck in a tree, tossed on the sidewalk etc. Other cities and entire countries have solved this issue by banning plastic bags. We would be dumb to not follow programs that have been proven to work.

Paper bags are wasteful too if not recycled. Its not hard to keep a reusable bag in your purse, backpack, bike basket, trunk etc.

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It is hard to keep enough

By anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:53pm

It is hard to keep enough reusable bags for a full grocery load in my backpack. It's really easy to keep enough plastic bags.

How many countless dollars has Cambridge saved in litter and pollution costs since their bag ban started? Nobody knows, since nobody is even asking that question. It's not about practical problem solving -- it's about appearance.

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If you really want an answer ...

By adamg
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:34pm

Contact Matt O'Malley's office. He and his staff spent several months talking to officials in other cities with nag bans and collected specific numbers (some of which he quoted today, but I'm at a Starbucks without my laptop).

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Who are you and what have you done with our Adam?

By Brighton-ite
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 8:56pm

Starbucks? I thought you were a die hard Duncan's Donuts fan.

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Ouch

By adamg
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 10:02pm

But, alas, I needed to make a Target run (the earbuds I use with my scanner budded their last and I have a Target gift card) and they have a Starbucks built right in (OK and true confession: Sometimes, if I'm running late and don't have time to make breakfast before I head downtown for a licensing hearing, I'll go to the News Cafe, or whatever it's called, across from City Hall, which serves Starbucks, rather than one of the 62,000 Dunkin' Donuts downtown because it has seats and I can put as much milk in my coffee as I like).

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You, sir

By cynical
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 11:42pm

Are a monster.

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reality

By johnmcboston
Fri, 12/01/2017 - 11:38am

So you can now rest easy. The plastic earbuds you'll buy in their plastic packaging, that you will be paying for with your plastic gift card - will be given to you in a paper bag to take home. World saved

:-)

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Nobody is going to stop you

By Matt
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:42pm

Nobody is going to stop you from bringing plastic bags with you, they just won't give them to you.

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They won't sell plastic bags

By anon
Fri, 12/01/2017 - 6:29pm

They won't sell plastic bags to me either. Since they can't, by law.

Maybe I'll buy them on Amazon. What's the environmental cost of that?

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Depends on the reusable bags

By Amian
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:59pm

I usually have at least one thin nylon bag (ecosax or similar) that folds up to about 2"×3" in my back pack at all times. Easily holds a good sized grocery shop (about what a conventional paper bag does, or a bit more). I've never had one wear out or tear, machine washable, and tiny. Won't be without them.

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Not the cheapest out there

By butdoihaveto
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 6:51pm

But I agree with your position in appearance. Just like the Prius craze when an affordable, feasible hybrid hit the market.

And get a lovebag, they fold up to the size of a child’s fist. They’re strong, and can fit a bunch of stuff in them (I can easily carry a quick trip to Roche Bros)

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The tax comment was for the

By SteveE
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:07pm

The tax comment was for the people who feel that anytime they have to pay more for something, it is a "tax". I don't agree and that's why I put it in quotes.

The point of this ban wasn't to cut down on waste in general, it was to eliminate the use of single-use plastic bags, which pollute the environment because 1) they don't break down and 2) they're littered all around town.

The paper bags are recyclable and break down in a fairly short time.

The 5 (or 10) cent fee for everywhere else in the country is to get buy-in from merchants who now have to buy more expensive bags. Paper and recyclable plastic bags cost A LOT more than the cheap bags we're used to. Remember, the merchant keeps this bag fee, it doesn't go to recycling programs, etc. It should have been worded as an option for the merchant to charge if they feel it makes business sense to them. What kind of bizarre law is "every business must sell recyclable bags as a unique item, but they can't sell them for less than x price."

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Well...

By dmcboston
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 9:01pm

"What kind of bizarre law is "every business must sell recyclable bags as a unique item, but they can't sell them for less than x price.""

Government orders you to sell something, then sets the price.

I have no idea what that's called. Maybe some Really Smart Anon can tell us how that works.

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Rolls Eyes

By anon
Fri, 12/01/2017 - 12:13pm

You are truly specious.

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Why do you expect free stuff?

By lbb
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 8:56am

It costs money to produce bags. It costs money to deal with their disposal. Why do you want a free ride?

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Plastic bags cost a fraction

By anon
Fri, 12/01/2017 - 6:31pm

Plastic bags cost a fraction of a cent. That's why virtually every store felt it was worth it to give them away.

Now they can't sell them at any price.

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Is there a way

By Will LaTulippe
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:02pm

To recover a ballot and erase a filled-in oval? I would like to do that with my ballot and Michelle Wu.

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Democracy requires an informed electorate

By Waquiot
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:20pm

She didn't exactly flip flop on this. Sure, the optics are there (members avoiding talking about this on the campaign trail) but I believe her views on the matter were well known.

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Eluded me

By Will LaTulippe
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:25pm

I didn't see "I'm a greedy statist pig who wants to tax people 5 cents for using plastic bags without giving people 5 cents for using canvas bags" on her website. Just the usual "my family was immigrants!" boilerplate claptrap I see from people who seek municipal office.

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Who's going to pay for trash disposal, Will?

By Bob Leponge
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:50pm

Which do you prefer:

  1. Charging people for trash disposal based on the amount of trash they generate
  2. Charging people for trash disposal based on the value of the real estate they own

I would have thought you would prefer the former. Charging for bags is a step in that direction.

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It's a step in the direction of taxation

By Will LaTulippe
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:01pm

A step in the direction of sincere concern for waste collection and the environment would be a deposit on plastic bags, not a tax.

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So this is two steps in the right direction then

By zetag
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:11pm

Just buy a reusable bag for a dollar and then get of my lawn.

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How is that?

By Bob Leponge
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 7:17pm

How is "Charging the user of something for what it actually costs, rather than the taxpayers at large footing the bill," a step towards taxation?

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Why do you want free stuff?

By lbb
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 8:57am

Why do you expect to get a free bag? Why do you expect to be able to throw it anywhere you want and have others deal with the consequences?

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It's not free

By Will LaTulippe
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 9:31am

The store pays for it, and they pass the cost to me. Then I put it in my garbage, and my landlord pays for waste collection, and passes the cost to me.

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Why don't stores charge for

By anon
Fri, 12/01/2017 - 6:33pm

Why don't stores charge for the rubber band holding the blueberry container shut? Or the twist-tie on the bread bag?

Because the cost is minuscule.

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Who votes for a Harvard Elitist

By anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:21pm

/Chicago Socialist? Her being elected in Roslindale shows how fast the neighborhood is being gentrified.

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Not from Boston?

By adamg
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:04pm

I ask because a Boston resident who feels compelled to comment on a city councilor might know that she's an at-large councilor, which means she has to get votes everywhere (also, she first got elected while still living in the South End).

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ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!

By anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:48pm

Scary educated people who give a crap are ... are ... ELECTED TO RUN THINGS IN THE CITY!!!

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!1!!!!!!11!!!1!!

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This bill was filed in

By Fitz
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:40pm

This bill was filed in January and Wu was a co-sponsor. It has been in the media since. You just don't pay attention. Low information voter here. Spend less time on pointless screeds and more time educating yourself on what actually is going on. Sad.

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Even earlier

By adamg
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 10:09pm

O'Malley and Wu set up a task force on the issue in August, 2016. It was in all the papers (and here). But because the council didn't act before Dec. 31, they had to re-file the measure for the new year, because that's how the council rolls.

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I think this is an excellent

By cden4
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:21pm

I think this is an excellent idea. We have way too many cheap plastic bags creating a lot of waste. (I'm looking at you CVS.) They're not even reusable because they are so thin and crappy.

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I was prepared to get snarky

By anon
Sun, 12/03/2017 - 6:16am

I was prepared to get snarky because I depend on grocery bags to scoop the cat box, but you're absolutely right. I have to double-bag because even after the lightest use, there are gaping holes in the bottom seam.

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Anyone objecting care to

By Brian Riccio
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:23pm

volunteer to remove some plastic bags from their local waterway?

I quote the EPA website:

Plastic trash and particles are now found in most marine and terrestrial habitats, including the deep sea, Great Lakes, coral reefs, beaches, rivers, and estuaries.

Anyone want to take a swim in the great Pacific garbage patch of plastic next weekend?

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I kayak the Charles regularly

By Will LaTulippe
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:27pm

I will often pick up trash floating in the water, and put it in the boat to discard on shore.

I also oppose this tax.

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Cut the crap...

By Brian Riccio
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:30pm

This isn't your Tinder profile. You could give two shits about the environment, given your seemingly nihilistic comments in this forum.

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Tinder?

By Will LaTulippe
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:02pm

Pfft, that app's for losers. I'm a Bumble guy. I like the ladies who are really trying to get some, not the fakes.

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Yes!

By Brian Riccio
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:04pm

Bumble. Bumble, indeed.

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In case you missed it on CBS last night

By Gary C
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:29pm

Bumbles bounce!

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Good! I'm tired of see these

By Finn
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:29pm

Good! I'm tired of see these things ending up in trees and sewer grates, where they end up in waterways. Now if only the state legislature banned plastic-bottled water, and if failing that, mandate a deposit on all plastic bottles of water and juice that end up littering streets and ending up in sewers as well. You can carry a reusable bag, you can carry a reusable water bottle too.

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