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The big guys had to wait their turn at Logan last night

Big planes waiting for small plane at Logan

Tamas K-L watched a Logan taxiway last night, when a series of big beefy jets, including a British Airways 747, had to wait their turn to take off behind a Cape Air Cessna.

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B747s won't been seen at BOS (Logan) in the next couple of years.

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...why?

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They are sufficiently obsolete that US carriers no longer fly them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/11/12/the-end-of-...

The youngest 747-400s are already 16 years old, and were delivered to China.

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Because Trump won't be hitting as many fundraisers in Weston as Obama used to?

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Mike Pence was in town recently. You'll find lots of rich GOP supporters in the Boston suburbs even if they are vastly outnumbered at the polls.

These guys care about getting regulations changed to help them and their companies. It's never been a better time to be a rich white guy provided you don't mind donating to the cause.

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Old money does NOT support Drumpf.

Look up "rock ribbed" for details.

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4 engines is the major issue
More precisely, their lack of fuel efficiency.
2 bigger engines, like on a B777 (or A330), can deliver the same thrust at lower cost.
The reliability advantage is with the 4 engines.
But 2 are acceptable.

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Boeing is currently designing and building two (maybe three) B747-8s as the next "Air Force 1s".

To be tedious, they are 'dash 8s', not 'dash 400s'.
The current AF-1s are B747-200s. Not 400s, 200 hundreds.
They're 'analog airplanes' in Boeing's words.

Boeing mainly sold dash 8s as freighter (not passenger aircraft).
Likely. these will be the last of the B747s.

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Actually, the 'new Air Force Ones are not 'new built' but rather are already built and undelivered aircraft that have been sitting in storage since the original customer didn't take delivery.

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Lufthansa operates the relatively new 747-8 between Boston and Frankfurt.

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Lufthansa flies the 747-800 from Boston. I don’t think that’s changing in the next decade or so. Those plans are less than 10 years old

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To be Super Picky ...
The last version ("series" in FAA talk) of the 747 is designated the "dash 8"
Even though the previous version was the "dash 400"

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Lufthansa bought the 747-8 and those are still relatively new. They show up on the flights between Logan and Frankfurt.

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That's a great shot. I could watch planes take off and land all day.

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Planes with less than 30 seats should not be flying out of Logan and should be given lower priority when there's air traffic congestion in the north east corridor.

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Planes with less than 30 seats should not be flying out of Logan and should be given lower priority when there's air traffic congestion in the north east corridor.

...why?

(You might want to google "essential air service" - this isn't about rich people)

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Just because the Feds subsidize Cape Air flights to Bar Harbor (not in summer) and Rutland doesn't mean that poor people depend on it or even benefit from it.

Plus, Cape Air has many more flights to the Cape and islands, and these flights certainly aren't cheap.

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FYI. Cape Air runs MANY subsidized routes for AAS.

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Vehicles with less than 30 seats should not be driving on the Mass Pike or should be given higher tolls when there's high traffic volume into or out of Boston.

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Whatever happened to peak-pricing at Logan?

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Logan is NOT a slot-controlled airport
(as are Laguardia, Kennedy, and a FEW others)
IOW, Logan has spare capacity -- not a lot, but some
Current U.S. Law REQUIRES Logan to accept small aircraft
It's an equity issue (any port in a storm)
'They' (small carriers and their passengers) pay taxes
As you do -- Why are you 'more special'?

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The three people in the Cessna pay combined taxes equal to the hundreds of people in each 747?

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For te same reason why there are portions of public roads which allow buses but not single-occupant cars.

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This is still an airline which pays for the use of their terminal and the runways at Logan. It's not a single occupant car, but more like a short bus.

I love how all the complainers are acting like it was clogging up the whole airport being just one plane in an endless queue of dozens of planes at a time.

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Federal Law requires airports accept all aircraft. Airports discourage small non-airline aircraft (they use Hanscom, Beverly, Norwood, etc.) These laws largely derive from nautical rules, and are grounded in hundreds of years of experience. Plus, they're supported by more than a few members of Congress. In truth, Logan has no say over the matter.

Small planes don't take much airport capacity from big planes. On arrival, they use the shorter runways that jets don't, when it's possible. On departure, they get out of the traffic stream almost immediately.

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I'm sure the heart transplant patients/families that Angel Flight brings to Tufts Medical Center appreciates your sense of priorities.

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That's not some private plane, it's Cape Air. They're a publicly used airline too.

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I flew WestJet recently - it was propeller planes both ways from Boston to Toronto. Bigger than this one, perhaps, but that Bombardier would certainly look pretty small with the British Air 747 behind it.

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Cape Air doesn't just fly to the Cape and Islands either. They fly to less "rich places" like Augusta, ME and Rutland, Vt

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As far as I can remember (decades) there's been the rough equivalent of Cape Air operating out of Logan.

A predecessor was Precision Aviation. There have been others. The TV show Wings was based on a fictional version thereof.

A colleague/friend and pilot for a predecessor operator shut it down for unsafe operations.

Cape Air is professionally managed by former Mass. State Senator Dan Wolf (Founder & CEO). He;s stabilized a formerly dicey business proposition.

The U.S. does not bar poor children from our schools.
Nor do we bar small airlines from our airports.

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single-seat pedal-powered ones, right Comrade Al-Bikedadi?

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Apparently Parkwayne subscribes to the 'two bucket' concept of economics;

  • The 'Rich' -- They live off their investments and don't work
  • The 'Poor' -- They live off "welfare" broadly defined,and don't work

Fact: Most people are neither. They work for a living.

Important Fact: Airline exist due to the middle and upper-middle class. They

  • Fly often
  • Pay full fares

Your opinion is -- whatever.
But, there can be no meaningful discussion until you progress to at least the three-bucket concept of economics.

  • The two-bucket concept omits most people -- all of whom work.
  • Two buckets is not a theory; it's an ideology.
  • Elementary Sociology courses define five buckets.
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I once rode in a buddy's Civil Air Patrol Cessna that was taking off between Air Force jets coming in and out at about 10 times our speed. The view from the little guy = Pretty damn intimidating!

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The Big Bird is NOT a Boeing 747 but rather an Airbus 380. British Airways now flies the A380 to Boston.

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The A380 flight deck isn't located on the upper passenger deck.

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You really should make sure you are CORRECT first.

That plane is most definitely a Boeing 747.

How anyone can mistake that aircraft is beyond comprehension. It's such an iconic craft.

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IMAGE(https://www.britishairways.com/assets/images/information/flight-information/airbus-a380/760x211-a380-external.jpg)

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Just curious.

  • Taken from?
  • Aircraft queued on which taxiway?
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I'd say they're lined up on N, waiting for 22R. Picture would then be taken from either a boat, the Orient Heights Yacht Club, or Bayswater St in Eastie. The pic is to the left of the centerline of the taxiway so I don't think it's from Constitution Beach. I could be wrong, though, since I'm not certain what the hills off in the background are. The Blue Hills?

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