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Boston-area alums of that school in Florida gather to discuss how to push for gun control

WBUR reports on a Someville meeting of alumni of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL.

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The New England chapter met for the first time Sunday in a community space at the Brooklyn Boulders climbing gym in Somerville. About 30 people attended.

I'm sure not every single alum in Greater Boston made the meeting. How big is this high school?

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About 15-20 students from my high school class of 251 from a school of about 1,100 pupils in a northern suburb of Boston (that had a population at the time of about 22,000 inhabitants) went to Syracuse University upon graduation (notable because that was the largest population from my class that went to a single school outside of New England).

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and laws and regulations that make it very difficult to involuntary commit a homicidal and/or suicidal person. Every responsible authority that came into contact with Nikolas Cruz dropped the ball big time. School officials, mental healthcare workers, social workers, local law enforcement and the FBI. He was well known to have severe behavior problems since being a child, that got worse when reached puberty. Growing up, kids in his neighborhood mocked and ostracized him, calling him weird. Same in middle and high school, where he was routinely bullied and laughed at. Even his own adopted brother now says he and his friends bullied and laughed at him and he feels sorry for not being friendlier. At age 6, Cruz was with his adopted father when he died of a heart attack. When he left the body and went to see his adopted mom, she asked him if he was angry because his dad said something to him, he replied 'Nope. He just died.' He would kill and gut birds and other animals because he wanted to see what's inside. His biological mom was, according to his adopted mom. a drug addict who died. She may have been Jewish, which is odd since he made antisemitic comments and referenced his biological mom. It is astounding and very disturbing he wasn't living in a psych. hospital and not on the streets.

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It is astounding and very disturbing he wasn't living in a psych. hospital and not on the streets.

If only police have guns, then police are still probably going to be too far away or afraid to enter an active murder scene.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/02/26/man-who-fatally-stabbed-wom...

One guy tried to stop him by yelling at him.

That did not work.

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To suggest more people having guns will lower the number of people shot makes no sense at all. The easier it is to get a gun (illegally or legally) the more likely it is someone innocent will be killed with it.

There's a reason why the United States is the only country with mass shootings on an almost daily basis and it's not due to lack of weaponry.

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The easier it is to get a gun (illegally or legally) the more likely it is someone innocent will be killed with it.

A straw man cannot be killed with a gun, silly.

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That was my line

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The argument is that you cannot rely on the police to provide complete and total protection against the tiny core of genuinely sick people who want to or feel compelled to act violently.

Winchester isn't exactly Texas, and still the Globe article is full of stories from neighbors of this guy saying that they both kept on reporting him to the police and kept baseball bats handy in case this guy wigged out. Let me say that again: normal people in nice and quiet and liberal and peace-loving Winchester felt the need to keep a weapon handy because they were afraid of a specific violent person who acted violently.

The next point is that he used a knife, not a gun. So everyone was disarmed in terms of firearms, yet people were scared enough to sleep with baseball bats by their beds and this guy grabbed a knife and went nuts.

What's all this say?

First it says that this tragedy could have been prevented if we had stronger involuntary commitment laws on the books to be able to apprehend clearly dangerous people who've demonstrated a repeated streak of violent tendencies. Cough cough Florida shooter falls into this category too.

The second thing it says is that police can't be everywhere at once and yes it is up to ordinary people to be able to defend themselves because no one else will do it for you. Does that mean keeping a baseball bat under the car seat ("trucker's baseball league," as an old boss of mine once described it), does it mean keeping a gun in the home, does it mean getting trained and concealed-carrying? It can mean all of those things in varying amounts for different people.

The third thing it says is that gun laws have little to do with the probability of a sick person doing something awful. Yes if he'd had an AR or even a six-shooter it would have been worse but if the cops knew about him he wouldn't have gotten an LTC in Mass no matter how hard he tried. And that's good.

But what isn't good is that he couldn't get a gun, but somehow we were still comfortable as a society of letting go around terrorizing his neighbors.

There are four types of people who shouldn't have guns:
1. People who are too immature to handle once safely for reasons of age or mental incapacity. Jordan Peterson mentioned somewhere that the US Army or Canadian Forces won't take anyone with an IQ below 83 because they can't be trained. That's about one out of 8 people.

2. People who are physically disabled and can't safely handle a gun. Diminshed dexterity, visual acuity, etc.

3. People who are mentally ill or prone to violence and quite obviously so.

4. The real sociopaths like Stephen Paddock who look like everyone else and behave like everyone else but have a real evil inside them.

You can screen for 1-3. And you can even do it reliably. And that's where a lot of the failure to date lies. Gabby Giffords, Aurora CO, Florida, Texas, Navy Yard, Newtown, and now Winchester. All are item number 3.

You can never reliably screen for item 4. No system is perfect.

But nowhere in here do normal people figure. There are 10 million ARs out there. And you can count on a small number of hands the times they've been misused.

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healthcare, mental or otherwise. Raising taxes to fund nut houses won't fly, and they'll do noting to curb the ease at which a gun can be purchased, then they load up trucks full of thoughts and prayers when people are slaughtered.
I believe change is coming, and it's coming BECAUSE Trump is president. Tiny concessions that liberals have been pushing for for years might actually be passed since Dear Leader is in the throne telling his minions it's ok, and politicians are facing the very real threat of not winning re-election. These high schoolers and anyone else with common sense would've already been silenced if the Democrats controlled any facet of our federal government under loud screaming of "YER NOT TEKKIN M"GUNS AWAY LIBTARD SNOWFLAKE DEMCUCKS!"
Also helps that some of the most brutal mass shootings of late have been happening in red states with loose gun laws. It's almost like they GET it if it AFFECTS them....

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De-institutionalization started under Kennedy and Johnson, but a combination of perverse incentives with the launch of Medicare and Medicaid threw it off the rails. Reagan pushed more responsibility on states to manage mental health, which is where it should have been to begin with, but rare and distant-seeming problems get swept under the rug.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/20/kennedys-vision-me...

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The idea of having more guns and arming teachers is the most asinine idea yet. Too many guns are manufactured here in the United States, and they're far too easily accessible, for that matter. Most of our lawmakers, both Democratic and Republican alike, are within the NRA's pockets, as well as that of Russia. It's sickening.

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Now ALUMNI of the school are authorities on gun control? That's like renting out apartments to people who were passengers on the Andrea Doria before it sank.

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Of course they are, and not only that they also have homogenous views and every alumni supports this effort.

At least if you judge these things on media coverage. The media sure is doing a great job presenting these views as shared by all effected.

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