'White Lives Matter' spray painted on Black Market in Dudley Square

Retro

By capecoddah
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 12:56am

The Danger Seeker from Kentucky Fried Movie strikes again.

Their spring grand opening is

By anon
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 6:38am

Their spring grand opening is this weekend.
https://www.facebook.com/blackmarketdudley

The press attention is convenient.

There's a whole long post on their Facebook page that makes mention of even more racist graffiti.
https://www.facebook.com/blackmarketdudley/posts/5...

We have been battling with graffiti outside on the fencing beside our business for 2 months and going back and forth with the City of Boston Roxbury Neighborhood Constituent Service Representative, Josh McFaddin who has been working on solutions with us.

Chris was taking a series of pictures of the graffiti on the fence yesterday to only to discover that in the background of some of the photos, the businessâ€™s wall was littered with hate speech.

Not seeing it in the photo.

Commission a mural for this wall

By Ron Newman
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 9:09am

That is the best way to discourage graffiti, and can also be a good way to advertise the new business.

Unless, of course, the city's Graffiti Busters team decides to obliterate that, while ignoring tons of actual graffiti in the same neighborhood because they haven't received a specific 311 report about each individual tag.

What's funny is that since

By anon
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 9:29am

What's funny is that since the City obliterated the Linden St. mural because it was "sexist" (though after it was redone to remove all sexism), the site has been covered in normal crappy graffiti and the City has done no further graffiti removal.

That mural was a crudely

By anon
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 3:07pm

That mural was a crudely hyper-sexualized stereotypical depiction of a woman of color... you can't understand why that was inappropriate for a public mural?

The artist redid the Linden Street mural

By Ron Newman
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 10:17pm

to remove the image that you and others considered offensive -- and the city still wiped it out a few days later.

Normally murals discourage

By Anon
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 6:36pm

Normally murals discourage graffitti because the people who do graffitt do not want to disrupt a positive image... if they are writing white lives matter on the side of a black shop I wonder if a mural depicting happy black residents would discourage them?

How come we never get a "sounds fishy" response to swasitkas?

By anon
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 11:14am

n/t

swastikas?

By bostnkid
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 2:16pm

same as white lives matter?

I said it sounds fishy

By StillFromDorchester
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 2:38pm

I don't know what you are implying but the last time I read about a swastika it turned out to be phony. I think they Painted KKK as well.
Pop over to fakehatecrimes.org and read for yourself.
It's not an unusual occurrence,

So I hear.....

By bostondriver
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 5:25pm

That sometimes teenagers do things to get attention and recognition. Some of them might think its cool or fun having published acts of vandalism, etc..... Just saying. it might be possible.

I hate to chime in on this, but I will

By Waquiot
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 3:55pm

Mainly because I do think this could be fishy. Or it could be a legit racist act. The reason I think it is fishy is because if I (and I consider myself about average for white Bostonians when it comes to being racist) wanted to throw up some racist graffiti, "white lives matter" would be really low on my list of things to write. The closest thing I can think of is to cover up the first word in "black lives matter" with the word white, but that wasn't done here. I mean, I don't want to provide other ideas, because I would scantly want to write or speak them, but suffice to say some racial slurs would be what one would lead with, not a rephrasing of a catchphrase in the civil rights movement.

I mean, the theory is that some racist white person (or people) went all the way to Dudley Square, broke out the spray paint, and wrote that!? It just seems fishy to me.

On a semi related note, there was some poor woman who had what really looked like a racist statement written on her wall or fence or whatever in the South End a little while back. It was pretty bad. However, it was also the title of a reggae song from the 1970s. Can't excuse the graffiti. Can't excuse the phrase. But there is a good chance that the person who wrote it was either black or was really down with black culture.

Inconceivable!

By Roman
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 4:31pm

I mean what are the chances that a person who's been trying to get the city to go after the people who've been putting graffiti on her building would do something to make it impossible for the city to ignore the graffiti on her building?

And it's not illegal either, that's the beauty of it. Putting graffiti on your own building isn't a crime and telling the city "zOMG! look at what's on my wall!" isn't filing a false report either, since there's real graffiti on there.

And the free ad in the Globe (and on Uhub) is icing on the cake.

And the tastier icing is that there isn't actually anything to get angry about from either side should the truth come out. "White lives matter" is pretty sedate.

Yawn

By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 8:37pm

Gaslighting and fake "gotcha" sites are not reality.

This market has pretty well documented what is going on across a number of sources - IF you bothered to read the article.

Of course the right wing wants to ban any and all people carrying around signs in protest because they don't want to cope with the cognitive dissonance of witnessing reality.

Lay off the crack

By Roman
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 8:57pm

You seem to be replying to a post from the Pink Elephant, not from me.

Oh Mister Clever

By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 9:14pm

You really need to understand that many of us here know the difference between a smart person and a flim flam man.

You are a flim flam man. No about of nice vocabulary and tortured "logic" based on spurious premises will ever cover the ugly ideas you hold dear and the weak shit you are selling.

Flimmity-flammity-floo!

By Roman
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 9:31pm

I hope you had someone drive you home today. You shouldn't ride your bike when you're in that condition. You might hurt yourself.

like pornography you know it when you see it

By anon
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 10:02pm

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You are delusional

By anon
Fri, 04/20/2018 - 10:12am

You are so superficial.

You will find out, in time, that the people that you are imitating are entirely essentialists - as in they believe that one is inherently and essentially white and Christian, and nothing changes that.

Hopefully before they start eliminating "others".

How a racist would react

By lbb
Fri, 04/20/2018 - 11:17am

The reason I think it is fishy is because if I (and I consider myself about average for white Bostonians when it comes to being racist) wanted to throw up some racist graffiti, "white lives matter" would be really low on my list of things to write.

But if you were a racist white person, or even an I'm-not-a-racist-white-person-BUT white person, and you saw "Black Lives Matter" on the wall, you might very well be moved to spray "White Lives Matter" on top and feel all good about yourself for doing so.

My counterpoint

By Waquiot
Fri, 04/20/2018 - 11:34am

If I have a thing about black people, what they heck would I be doing in Dudley Square.

Now, if I really wanted to mark BLM up in the most racist of ways, I'd add a "don't" after "lives" (but again, in reality I would never do that, just to be crystal clear.) Someone a bit more racist than me might cross out "black" and put "all" (and again, I would not do that in reality, for so many reasons.) But that's not what happened here, so the BLM thing is very theoretical.

Conversely, since it has been established that the word "white" has been on the building for some time, the odds of someone going by the wall and being inspired to add "lives matter" is an interesting one. Could it have been a ploy by the building owner to get the wall cleaned by the City? Maybe. Could someone really have decided to mess with the community by adding to the original work? Perhaps. Who knows?

What's that smell...?

By Brian Riccio
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 7:51am

Smells...like...uncontrolled white privilege. You should see someone about that before it festers and boils start to develop.

And, on another note, Roman does not disappointment me

By whyaduck
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 11:18am

this morning. Thank you for once again proving me correct that you do not (or choose not to) understand what is behind the "Black Lives Matter" movement.

Whatever again

By Roman
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 2:08pm

I understand that 80% of it is pleasant-sounding nonsense and another 10% is outright lies. That's what comes with understanding...the ability to evaluate and judge.

Now you're supposed to tell me that I can't understand because I'm not black, so I just have to trust the people telling me what to think.

Then I come back with something about scientific falsifiability and not allowing the passions of the crowd to dictate public policy.

Then you call me a racist again.

Then if I'm still paying attention to the thread, I call out a couple of the lies by name, like "hands up, don't shoot" or the testimony presented at George Zimmerman's trial, or statistics about police use of force relative to interactions with members of all races, or whatever.

Then if you're paying attention and if you're really into it, you give me an anecdote about someone you know or someone in the news getting the Doug Glanville treatment.

Then I come back with a counterpoint about how the two guys in the Starbucks wouldn't have caused a scene if they'd paid two dollars for a coffee instead of causing a scene. I might add how white man me would probably have been asked to leave too if he'd asked to use the bathroom and refused to buy anything or leave after being told it was for customers only, and how I've seen homeless people in the coffee shop two blocks away from that one buy a coffee before using the bathroom because that was store policy and they didn't want to make a scene either.

By that time it's probably 2AM and it's bedtime. Who knows what we'll find on the forums the following morning to get our blood pumping?

Obviously you've never been to Starbucks

By john
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 2:42pm

Two dollars for a Starbucks Coffee??? Take a look next time you go past a Starbucks. You'll see people sitting at tables reading a paper and working on laptops without a coffee or pastry on the table. I've used their free wifi without buying anything. Nobody bothered me.I've used their bathroom with out buying anything. Nobody questioned me. Nobody called the cops on me.

Yep. Two dollars

By Roman
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 4:23pm

Maybe 2.05 or 2.10 for the littlest one.

You can freeload all you want dude. Last time I went into a Starbucks without buying something was before I was a legal adult.

Here's a thought....

By Doug1001
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 6:05pm

Maybe they finished and discarded their coffee/pastry by the time you went by to watch them sit at the tables?

And of course...

By lbb
Fri, 04/20/2018 - 11:19am

...the staff knows exactly which of these people made prior purchases and thus who should be accorded bathroom privileges. Riiiiight.

Of course not.

By Doug1001
Sun, 04/22/2018 - 6:17pm

Why would they?

Nobody called you a racist

By anon
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 3:01pm

You self-identified.

This'll make it better

By Roman
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 5:27pm

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The lengths you go through

By boo_urns
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 3:13pm

to just give liberals/dems/leftists, what have you, headaches takes so, so much more energy than just admitting that there is, in fact, racism in the world. So if anyone calls you a racist, it's probably because you're resistant to the fact that racism exists. To the extent that you post crap like the comment I'm responding to. You're not edgy.

I'm not going for "edgy"

By Roman
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 3:43pm

I'm going for "dismissive of nonsense."

You won't find one post I made where I "deny racism." But you know that. You're just trying come up with a way to ask me if I've stopped beating my wife. Have you?

Um, you just contradicted yourself

By boo_urns
Fri, 04/20/2018 - 9:19am

Saying this is "nonsense" is denying or being dismissive of acknowledging racism.

Sure

By Roman
Fri, 04/20/2018 - 10:16am

If dismissing a something that looks, walks, and quacks like a PR stunt as a PR stunt is denying racism, ya got me.

Methinks he doth protest too much.

By whyaduck
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 4:44pm

Roman. Roman. Roman.

"I understand that 80% of it is pleasant-sounding nonsense and another 10% is outright lies. That's what comes with understanding...the ability to evaluate and judge."

If you are lying to me, that is a problem, even 10 percent. And what part of "white lives matter' is pleasant?

"Now you're supposed to tell me that I can't understand because I'm not black, so I just have to trust the people telling me what to think."

I am not black, either, and no, that is not what I meant.

"Then I come back with something about scientific falsifiability and not allowing the passions of the crowd to dictate public policy."

This has nothing to do with crowd psychology. Equating "white lives matter" or "all lives matter" with "black lives matter" is wrong and, yes, racist.

"Then you call me a racist again."

I am not calling you, personally, a racist. But your comments scare me.

"Then if I'm still paying attention to the thread, I call out a couple of the lies by name, like "hands up, don't shoot" or the testimony presented at George Zimmerman's trial, or statistics about police use of force relative to interactions with members of all races, or whatever."

And I would come back with refutes to discount your misinformation.

"Then if you're paying attention and if you're really into it, you give me an anecdote about someone you know or someone in the news getting the Doug Glanville treatment."

Naw, at that point, why would I waste my time?

"Then I come back with a counterpoint about how the two guys in the Starbucks wouldn't have caused a scene if they'd paid two dollars for a coffee instead of causing a scene. I might add how white man me would probably have been asked to leave too if he'd asked to use the bathroom and refused to buy anything or leave after being told it was for customers only, and how I've seen homeless people in the coffee shop two blocks away from that one buy a coffee before using the bathroom because that was store policy and they didn't want to make a scene either."

Really? Well, the two black guys said they were there for a business meeting. And, honestly, Starbucks has a pretty liberal policy of letting folks hang out...except if you are black, apparently.

Hit a nerve?

By Roman
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 5:04pm

Let's talk about it some more. Everyone has a secret pain. Share your pain with me, and take strength from the sharing.

Worded Ambiguously?

By anon
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 8:05am

It's a modified noun - Black Lives - and a verb, Matter. It states that there is value to black lives. That's all it says. It's not the fault of activists or black people that people can't read, and seem to interpret a VERY simple statement as ambiguous or as some variation of "ONLY black lives matter," "black lives matter MORE," "black lives matter and you're racist," or whatever absurd misreading they're using to justify such a virulent reaction.

Black Lives Matter As Much As

By cden4
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 10:49am

Black Lives Matter As Much As Everyone Else Yet Society Keeps Treating Black People As Less Than Equal And That's A Problem

Is that clear enough for my fellow white people?

Probably not.

By jmeltzer
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 11:19am

Probably not.

Not Really.

By whyaduck
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 11:17am

If one has an understanding of our history, in regards to how blacks have been and continue to be treated in this country, in general, not confusing at all.

Thanks Stephen!

By erik g
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 8:41am

Without your astute observation, we probably would have forgotten all about white people! I know I forget about them all the time, which is weird, because I am one and am surrounded by them. It sure is a systemic problem, what with white people having no advocates anywhere in government, law enforcement, health care, education, transportation, industry, finance, or technology. Maybe you can help spearhead the movement to bring white identity back to the forefront, where it definitely is not and has not been since the first days of European colonization.

Sprechen sie douche

By capecoddah
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 9:01am

bring white identity back

What the hell is white identity?

Whooosh

By lbb
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 9:07am

That is the sound of the point flying past your head, untroubled by your attention.

What it is

By capecoddah
Thu, 04/19/2018 - 9:25am

That is the sound of the point flying past your head, untroubled by your attention.

Maybe your movement sucks because you don't like answering questions about it.

"If you have an important point to make, donâ€™t try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack." - Winston Churchill

'White Lives Matter' spray painted on Black Market in Dudley Square

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