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Campaign roundup: When McCarthy blasted the 'nonsense people' who endorsed Arroyo; at-large candidates debate housing, opioids

Update: McCarthy apologizes for "muddled" comments not meant to attack anybody.

On the night of the preliminary election in September, outgoing District 5 City Councilor Tim McCarthy tried to rev up supporters of his aide and would-be successor Maria Esdale Farrell, who won a slot in the November final by coming in second against Ricardo Arroyo to represent Hyde Park, Roslindale and Mattapan. In a pep talk at Farrell's party at Antonio's Bacaro in Hyde Park, McCarthy noted Farrell got on the final ballot running against women and minorities and railed against the "nonsense people" who had endorsed Arroyo (at the time, they included state Rep. Russell Holmes and Suffolk County Sheriff Steve Tompkins; they have since been joined by US Rep. Ayanna Pressley, who now lives in Hyde Park):

WBUR reports on a forum it held for the eight candidates for the four at-large council seats open next month.

On opioids, incumbent Michelle Wu questioned whether the money and time it would take to build a new treatment campus on Long Island - $92 million just for the bridge, construction of which could take three to five years under the best of circumstances - might better be used for other treatment programs. Incumbent Michael Flaherty repeated his calls for suburban towns to do more to help their residents who end up being cared for by Boston after they wind up at Mass and Cass. Challenger David Halbert said it's time for supervised injection sites, where addicts could shoot up under medical supervision - and with help to get into treatment programs.

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Nowadays youre called a sexist if you don’t vote for the women in the race and racist if you don’t vote for the minority.

Shit same thing if you criticize them or their ideas.

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Here we go.

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You get called sexist if you act sexist, racist if you act racist.

But keep hiding behind those dog whistles and "iTs jUst mY oPiNioN" hot takes.

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um that's racist - try harder

Adam - should spin be banned for hate speech?

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Etymology
From Middle English chef, borrowed from Old French chief (“leader”), from Vulgar Latin *capum (from which also captain, chieftain), from Latin caput (“head”) (English cap (“head covering”)), from Proto-Indo-European *kauput- (English head).

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A leader or head of a group of people, organisation, etc. [from 13th c.]
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(heraldry) The top part of a shield or escutcheon; more specifically, an ordinary consisting of the upper part of the field cut off by a horizontal line, generally occupying the top third. [from 15th c.]
The principal part or top of anything.
An informal, ironic address to an equal

So it fits for addressing OP. Next!

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woke status preserved - thanks google!

Now right back to calling everyone else racist in 3, 2, 1...

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But then again weaponizing things like that are a hallmark of self aware wolves.

I guess the surprising thing here are the upvotes you're getting, either we got a lot of alt-reich clowns lurking here that got their fee fees hurt or you've got a few burner accounts to get those numbers up.

Either way it's pretty sad. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Disagree with someone, then resort to calling them a nazi.

I knew that would come out sooner or later - how typical.

Sad indeed.

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billion. The script:

1: Conservative fuckwit punches down at a minority, using ugly, bigoted language, sometimes coded, sometimes overt.

2: Bystanders point and jeer, observing, “What an asshole. GTFO of here with that hateful crap.”

3: Conservative starts blubbering like a child, crying about Other People Hating.

Such a tiresome, simple-minded, obvious routine. Stop fooling yourself that it works on anyone that graduated from middle school.

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You're projecting too much now, I never insinuated you were a nazi, just that you're getting upvoted by alt-reich clowns or you have a few burner accounts.

You wanna be an edge lord and carry water for racists/sexists, well you might end up catching some fleas or bedbugs if you're Brett Stephens.

But I guess it could be some fragile MRAs too, tends to be quite the venn diagram overlap between those groups.

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Football are getting pressure to change their name. With all this foolishness.

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Kansas City Chiefs is pretty well documented as being a racist logo/name, so naturally I expect you to ignore the facts related to that.

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I didn’t think the Chiefs had any negative reactions to their name/logo. Maybe a few.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_mascot_controversy#

https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/3862967-native-american-groups-pro...

It's still wildly racist and not foolish to oppose like Red implied. But I understand your point.

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you're a troll spitting out horseshit to the other white supremacists on this site.

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See every election. We need to elect a (insert identifier).

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And then tell me im wrong.

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We already know you're wrong.

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"You get called sexist if you act sexist, racist if you act racist."

This is 2019. Those rules went out the window some time ago.

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Could argue that the "rules" are just being better enforced now.

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I voted for Capuano over Pressley last year because I had concerns of losing senior membership on the Transportation committee in the US House. Since then, I've really been impressed with Pressley's leadership as well as her new initiative just recently formed on transportation in the House. No one has ever called me a racist nor sexist for casting my ballot for Capuano.

I really get tired of this stupid rhetoric, because that's what it is: stupid.

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No, you're called sexist and racist when you denigrate your opponents because they are women or minorities.

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Nowadays youre called a sexist if you don’t vote for the women in the race and racist if you don’t vote for the minority

No, you aren't.

Shit same thing if you criticize them or their ideas.

Not even close.

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Obviously, you can read "nonsense" as meaning "non-white" or "not in our group." And then infer that McCarthy, and those who stand with him, have some noxious views on important issues.

But let's say I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.

What would that look like? What's a meaning of "nonsense" here that doesn't make him out to be a bigot, with regard to gender and race? Any supporters, what do you think he means by "nonsense"?

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The most charitable view is that he means "liberals." Doesn't matter much since he already called out women and people of color in his statement but I think that's probably what he meant by "nonsense people." He's not a big fan of the liberals in his district and had made that known before. Looking forward to him being gone.

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You can join Rob 'the Hack' Consalvo in the annals of local reps who will not be missed. I assume he'll also have a patronage gig like Consalvo. Maybe he can help Rob take more outdoor spaces from BPS schools to hand over to the private sector.

https://www.wgbh.org/news/education/2019/10/17/dorchester-school-communi...

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When you want to stick Roxbury Prep Charter School in Roslindale/West Roxbury

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the "Harvard Business School Program for Management Development."

You too can be a "graduate" of the Dec. 2019-July 2020 program at the low, low price of $52,000. Previous education not required!

https://www.exed.hbs.edu/leadership-development/#admissions

Tim is a graduate of Catholic Memorial High School, Curry College and the Harvard Business School Program for Management Development. He is pursuing a Master’s Degree at Suffolk University

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Ayanna Pressley College Degree - NONE

A General Studies major ??? Not sure what that includes. Left school

Look at Mayor Menino UMASS Boston graduate at 41 years old did okay.

Mayor Walsh - BC Night School. Doing okay

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it's a criticism of Harvard and the nonsense degrees and certificates that it sells to anybody who's willing to pay, including this one and a wide range of "public administration" products at the Kennedy School.

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Look at any local college, 60K a year and the student majors in sociology, philosophy, general studies etc worthless degrees. No jobs. No wonder student debt is sky high. You have to major in accounting, finance, IT, engineering etc.

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Didn't both his father and brother run into problems. One had to step down because of what.

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and Pops got suspended because no one knew what he did.

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Like come on, you were kinda hiding it not so well in the Centre street threads but this is just lazy even for you.

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Talk about Hack jobs. Didn't her husband get a cushy job under Wlash, but left it because of why? LOL

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He mentioned women and minorities. Who knows what he means Nonsense people but I don't think it's racial. He is endorsing a woman on top of it all.
I mean in the other City Council race the final 8, you have 6 women, transgender and a gay woman, the 2 men one is black who didn't even grow up in Boston.
How much diverse to we need it to be?

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Who fucking cares where you grew up? Dapper O'Neil grew up here and was a complete piece of garbage. See also Bulgers, Whitey and Billy, and countless others.

McCarthy won't be living in city limits in 4 years, that's my prediction.

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Just watch it

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Was I not clear?

Billy Bulger, Whitey Bulger, Dapper O'Neil are all excellent examples of terrible people who were poisonously bad for Boston and grew up here. So growing up here means nothing. Ray Flynn's another one- apologized for decades for the rapist priests of the Catholic Church and blamed the victims but hey, he's from Southie!

I don't believe in Hell but I hope it's real so Bulger, O'Neil and Flynn can all get together to talk about the good old days with their pal Cardinal Law (Law of course was born in Mexico so I'm sure you don't like him.)

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All going to hell. Nice.

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How you get from complaining about Dapper O'Neil, the Bulgers, and Ray Flynn to "All the white, Irish, Catholic guys" is a mystery.

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Just want to be sure we're on the same page: being a racist like Dapper is OK? Blaming rape victims for the actions of priests like Flynn is OK? Being a literal murderer like Whitey is OK?

I don't like Flaherty and won't be voting for him but he's not a bad person. Steve Lynch is very much not my kind of guy, but again, not on the same level as the guys you're defending here, seemingly only because they're white Irish Catholics? How about Matt O'Malley? He's fine. I voted for John Connolly - he's another white Irish Catholic. Sen. Mike Rush seems fine but I wish he'd do more with his office, also white Irish Catholic. Etc...

If you think all white Irish guys are good, google 'the Troubles' sometime.

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Connolly was running against another white Irish Guy. I can't vote for O'Malley again. Useless.

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I assume you mean you can't vote for O'Malley again because you've moved to Canton, right? Or Bridgewater?

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I just can't vote for a person worrying about Plastic Bags.

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Which includes the Mayor.

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If you think a murderer and a despicable rape apologist represent all white Irish Catholic guys, that's your right, but you're literally the only person on this page making that leap.

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Diane Wilkerson ( oops they didn't grown up in Boston)

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You don't think it's news when a city councilor insults a state rep (and the county sheriff)? It was actually three state reps - Nika Elugardo and Jon Santiago also endorsed Arroyo before the preliminary - but Holmes has more of a direct interest in District 5.

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Has to be mentioned when McCarthy is talking. But the Nonsense people you mentioned are all minorities. Why put that in post "ALL WHITE" Doesn't seem right

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to be here, or are you just a sad, lonely troll? Neither is a good look, son.

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A White Irish Catholic conservative Bostonian that has different views than most on this website. What do you want all Liberal outsiders giving their views and patting themselves on the back.

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what a martyr.

that was a cool conversation you had with yourself up there.

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aren't clever enough to be a decent troll.

On the *other* other hand, you could be a dim 12-year-old: that would fit the facts, too.

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Is it too much to ask that you find an *honest, competent* white Irish Catholic conservative to support? I don't expect you to agree with me on policy; I hope you agree that rape and multiple murder are wrong even if the criminals sit next to you in church.

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District Attorney Rachael Rollins
Sheriff Steve Tompkins
City Councilor Michelle Wu
City Councilor Kim Janey
Clerk of Courts Maura Hennigan

Reps Elugardo, Holmes, Santiago
State Senator Sonia Chang Diaz

I may have missed a few but saw all these on his social medias.

I don't see how any of those are "nonsense".

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Minorities, except Hennigan who has the same type of hack job as Arroyo's father.

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Rachel Rollins?? Tomkins? come on. If fact pretty much nonsense group.
Can you run that story about Wu's kid who didn't get a spot at the Charles Sumner but he went to work with her and at the end of the day He had a spot. Amazing how that worked out.

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If you perhaps learned to read better, you'd know the issue was not that Wu used her connections to get her kid into the Sumner, but that she was told he was accepted and then BPS screwed up the paperwork and so he was suddenly unaccepted and had no school to go to at all. While I'm sure the fact that she's a city councilor made it easier for her to get the mistake fixed, the fact remains that BPS screwed things up, not her.

Also, maybe you think it's easy to get elected to a countywide position like Rollins and so that means nothing. When will we be seeing your name on the ballot? The job pays six figures, after all.

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Markey. Or as Howie calls him "Mr. Frosty"

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McCarthy's stupid comment notwithstanding, can we talk about Chip? How does that guy hold down a job at Harvard when he's tweeting about #bospoli a hundred times a day under multiple accounts? Why is he so personally invested when he, admittedly, doesn't live work or play in the city? Is he a former Menino guy that has an ax to grind? A former Walsh employee that was fired? Are his bosses at Harvard unaware? Or is he doing it for them?

I feel like he must have an interesting story.

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Mother of gawd, that guy is busy on social media. With his donzens and donzens of tweets and retweets, on might think he had an agenda, or was working on someons behalf. weird.

And you say he doesn't even live in the district? Why so concerned about the district 5 race then? Hmmmm

Seems legit.

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It's remarkably easy to post and retweet stuff - lots and lots of stuff - and takes very little time at all. Just look at my feed - I can assure you I don't spent a lot of my time composing tweets. It's the one thing I have in common with the Quid Pro Quoer in Chief, except I don't normally tweet at 4 a.m.

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Chip Goines does post an insane amount of #bospoli content on Twitter for a guy ostensibly holding down a day job. He also identified as living in Somerville at one point pretty recently. Maybe he moved into Boston since. Either way, he has an unhealthy obsession with Marty Walsh that is pretty evident from his tweets, for one. None of that changes the fact that McCarthy's comments are gross and the real issue here.

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posting on social media on the clock is a fireable offense.

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Anyone can debate homelessness and opioids (a hand-in-hand issue). But nothing will ever get done.

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McCarthy posts:

First, I want to make clear that I have always only spoken for myself, and not for any of the candidates seeking to replace me on the City Council.

Second, while Maria Esdale Farrell asked me for my vote (as did other candidates) and which I proudly cast for her, she has neither requested, nor has she received, my endorsement as District 5 Councilor. In fact, Ms. Farrell made clear to me on Day One that she wished to be judged by voters not based on any political endorsements, but rather on the work she'd done for the people in the district for decades. I understood, and greatly admired, that decision.

That said, throughout the entire campaign for the District 5 Council seat, I have continually praised the depth and diversity of the entire field of candidates, include the two remaining contenders. On Primary night, I again recognized and thanked everyone who ran, and I meant it.

What I also tried to express, but clearly did so in a muddled manner, was my excitement at casting my personal ballot for a working mother of six, who, without the usual laundry list of political endorsements, had defied all odds and won a spot in the finals against such a deep and diverse field, including one with a massive advantage in name recognition, money and, yes, political endorsements. I further wanted to convey, but again did so poorly, that her win surprised a lot of people who didn’t give her a chance and overlooked all the grassroots support she had inspired.

In my excitement to praise her, if I said anything that could be taken out of context to hurt her, I apologize to her, and to anyone else who misunderstood my intent.

I have great faith that the people I represented over the past six years as City Councilor, and 30 years of public service, will choose on Election Day the candidate they believe best understands their issues and concerns, and is committed to fighting for those issues and concerns.

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Usually, an apology would accompany an admission of wrongdoing. Here, McCarthy admits to expressing himself in a muddled manner and conveying his meaning poorly. And he apologizes to anyone who misunderstood his intent.

At no point does he address the substance of the complaint: that he dismissed those who endorsed Arroyo as “nonsense” people, and professed pride in having succeeded against “women and minorities.”

If apologized to my wife like that, there would not be a lot of cuddling that night.

I still don’t know exactly what he meant—but no one’s proffered an interpretation that doesn’t cast him as a bigot.

Maybe he’ll issue an apology for having issued a weaselly apology.

Then we can cuddle.

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Not an apology.

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