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Racist old white guys will always have a platform in the local press

Yesterday, the Globe gave Cape and Islands DA Michael O'Keefe all the space he needed to sputter about (((George Soros))) and the true cause of all the crime in Boston today: Black kids in saggy pants who listen to the hip hop.

Or as O'Keefe, who, as far as we can tell, was not a candidate for DA in Suffolk County last fall, put it: It's all that "glorification in some communities of a culture that celebrates disrespectful language and misogyny under the guise of art" as opposed to, you know, all that glorification in some communities of a culture that celebrates disrespectful language and misogyny under the guise of owning the libs.

O'Keefe should maybe stick to fixing his own office first before criticizing a DA in another part of the state who was pretty overwhelmingly elected by voters just a few months ago.

Meanwhile, Howie Carr is a bit more subtle in pining for the old days when racist blowhards like Dapper O'Neil roamed the floors of City Hall with a gun.

Carr casts his column today (which odds are you can't read because the Herald has a paywall and most people don't like looking at source code) as a fond memorial to the days when the City Council was full of lovable lugs like Freddy Langone and, yes, O'Neil, who were just so much fun, not like the dullards who sit on the council today.

Carr sort of lets his slip show, though, when he declares that Ayanna Pressley only moved up to Congress because she's black (or as he put it: "that was about demographics, not the august office she occupied"). And then he really gets revved up:

Freddy’s grandson was crushed in the once-Italian dominated North End-Eastie district by a black woman from East Boston. I see she’s running unopposed for re-election this year.

Which really, really bothers him.

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I wouldn't say she won the election over Capuano because she's qualified.

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How closely had you followed her work as a councilor?

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Of course Carr's a racist, but it's not incorrect to note that Pressely's support is strongly influenced by identity-politics, as opposed to relative qualifications or policy differences with her opponents. Of course, many politicians who are white and male are similarly bolstered by group association, but somehow that doesn't get called out by Carr. Hmmm.

Fwiw, adam, I follow city politics, and Rep. Pressely absolutely deserves a lot of praise and respect for breaking the color barrier on the Council. However, in her actual time as a councilperson, I don't see how she moved things much from the status quo. Her rhetoric is strong, but wrt day-to-day, she's been competent, not transformational.

There's very little practical difference in her politics and Mike Capuano's - I honestly don't think a white male with a similar career resume and campaign rhetoric would have had any chance to unseat him. Imo, the 7th Congressional District took one for Team Diversity-in-Democracy - and that's not a bad thing! But at this point it's not clear what we constituents of the 7th have specifically gained other than bragging rights and less congressional senority.

I look forward to having my opinion changed by her future accomplishments!

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You're not wrong in your assessment, but I think you're missing the desire for stronger, more vocal opposition given the current administration. Whether good or bad, that was part of what fueled the downfall of more than one Democratic incumbent last year.

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In the history of congress, white men have occupied more than 90% of the seats. But Howie Carr thinks white men are the ones being discriminated against. He is an ignorant and intolerant fool.

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yeah I bet he prays in his car from time to time too

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Also, she ran a more vigorous campaign. She very nearly won Somerville, which is Capuano's home city. I did not vote for her in the primary, but I'm quite happy to have her as my representative now.

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Capuano was very vulnerable. Whoever challenged him was going to endure months of mental beatings. Pressley went through the gauntlet and won.

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She's as qualified as Capuano was when he was elected.

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You don't live in the neighborhoods of Roxbury, Dorchester, Mattapan or Hyde Park where she fought to bring liquor licenses and new restaurant business or her advocacy of the Fairmount Line which enabled residents of these neighborhoods access to South Station. If you did you wouldn't be saying this nonsense about her being qualified. I do and I saw her hard work aimed at dismantling just some of the structural racism Boston experiences. It is why she got elected to Congress, the voters understood she was qualified. You're not qualified to even make that statement, so please refrain.

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So only some people are qualified to have an opinion. How Orwellian.

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...is a disqualifier, and you're ignorant.

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Capuano was a crappy mayor, so much so that in the 20 years since he left office, there’s been gentrification in Somerville so bad that no local elected official could do anything.

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Imho, take a step back and really look at what's happening in Cambridge and Somerville. Also, ask yourself why Capuano's own hometown went 50/50 on him in the 7th election

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O'Keefe's astounding feat was to simultaneously deny the existence of structural racism in the criminal justice system, while trafficking in personal racial prejudice as a powerful officer of the court.

Meanwhile, Barnstable County has the greatest racial disparities in pretrial incarceration.
https://twitter.com/CourtWatchMA/status/1133401551970623488

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I just went to the Herald's site and read Carr's column without any problem. I honestly wonder who he is writing for. His references are consistently so old that the only people who would get them are in their 70s and 80s at this point.

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Maybe they see me coming and rush to put the paywall up :-).

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I just went to see if I could get in, not to read that drivel.

Adam, maybe you have used up your free views or have some ad-blocker in place that they don't like?

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Maybe it's like the Boston Business Journal, which tends to forget to reset its free views each month.

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Just set your browser to block cookies, you can get in and read to your hearts content.

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the globe is owned by an old white guy... coincidence?!

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The stats speak for themselves... most violent criminals / gang members in the United States are in fact "Black kids in saggy pants who listen to the hip hop"...

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Because I'm looking at Race and Hispanic Origin of Victims and Offenders, 2012-15 from the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics and they say, sorry, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Scroll down a bit and you'll get to the line that explains that during that period, there were 5.83 million "violent victimizations" in the US in that period and that 43.8% were committed by whites, 22.7% by blacks, 14.4% by Hispanics and 2.2% by "others" (the numbers don't add up to 100% because of crimes committed by two or more people of different races, crimes where the race/ethnicity was unknown, etc).

Oh, and as a fellow white person (go ahead, admit it, only a white person would just make up "stats" like you did), you have more to worry about from other white people: Some 56% of the violent crimes against whites were committed by other whites.

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You know it ends with prison stats, which brings the whole O'Keefe/Rollins spat full circle.

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You’re aggressively quick to defend this. Can’t speak for other regions of the country, but in Massachusetts, FAR more violent crimes are committed by blacks than whites.

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The FBI has a handy tool for exploring aggregate crime data. Let's look at the most recent MA stats, from 2017:

Scroll down a bit for the section titled "All Violent Crime Offender vs. Victim demographics." And read the very first sentence in that section to the class, if you will:

In 2017, the largest percentage of violent crime offenders in Massachusetts were white and the largest percentage of violent crime victims were white.

The section has the raw numbers and a bar chart. The numbers shown work out to 69.6% of all violent crimes in Massachusetts that year being committed by whites.

Now, there are questions one could ask about the data, but that would first require acknowledging that NO, blacks do not commit the majority of violent crimes in Massachusetts.

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But while the data definitely shows that African Americans are not the majority of assailants for violent crimes (or homicides, if you drill down), “white” does also encompass those identified as Hispanic. This is not by any means to say that most of the assailants classified as white are Hispanic, but there are people out there who differentiate between the two.

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Adam is responding to people asserting that "in Massachusetts, FAR more violent crimes are committed by blacks than whites." His sources show that their claims are false. You're just moving the goalposts.

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You're right, in that the original claim is most definitely false, as I note.

That said, when the DoJ notes that the largest percentage of violent crime offenders are white, it removes a context, the context being that Hispanics are not drawn out as a race, which the federal government does not do. Running stats the same way, I can say that Boston is a white majority city, with whites making up either 52% (including those who also are classified as Hispanic, but are only one race) or 56.5% (including Hispanics that also note their race as white and including anyone who has given white as one their races and is of more than one race) of the population. A lot of people would disagree with me, noting that those who are white and no other race and are not Hispanic make up only 44.9% of the population of Boston.

As I noted elsewhere, people follow the news and end up thinking things that the stats show aren't true at all. I agree with Adam's point on the matter, but context is needed. In 2017, 90 murders were committed in Massachusetts (per the database Adam links to) where the race of the murdered was noted. Of those, 27 were committed by black people, one was committed by an Asian, 57 were committed by white people, in 5 instances the race of the murderer was unknown, 26 were committed by people who were Hispanic, 44 were committed by non-Hispanics, and for 7 that information was unknown, or in 77 cases that was noted. Clear as mud, except that yes, black people do not commit most of the murders in this state.

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...as ever, picking one strange hill to die on.

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"I hate to be that guy" might be the richest joke he could tell.

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you try to claim whites commit the most violent crime? Murder is the most violent of crimes and yet you declare whites are mostly responsible???

Massachusetts is 72% white, 12% Hispanic, 9%, black, and 7% Asian. Blacks commit crime way above their proportion of the populace.

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I never said what you seem to think I said. What I said is that, and I'm going to put some of this this in capital letters for emphasis: THE ABSOLUTE MAJORITY of violent crimes in this state are committed by whites (and while, yes, murder might be regarded as the worst of those, there are plenty of other violent crimes, you know, like rape, shootings, stabbings, I mean do I have to spell them all out?).

Given that whites make up, by far, the largest percentage of the state's population, that should hardly be surprising, except perhaps to fevered racists who reject statistics from agencies such as the FBI because in their gut they just know that swol dark people are at this moment plotting to murder them in their sleep.

Now, having said that, are rates of violent crimes among blacks higher than among whites? Perhaps. But show me the statistics on that first.

And then get ready for a discussion about the connection between crime and poverty - a connection that goes back centuries. And as long as we're looking at that connection, let's dig up some stats on violent-crime rates in poor white communities as well.

If crime and poverty are connected, then is the answer doing something about the poverty? Or do we just throw up our hands, like the District Attorney for the Cape and Islands has done, and blame rap music for violent crime? If he's so concerned about rap music, why isn't he concerned about violent, misogynist video games? It couldn't possibly be he sees a difference between the audience for rap music and video games, could it? We wouldn't want to think he might be a racist or something.

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I applaud this good research, but the real statistic of interest is crimes committed by demographic, given the percentage of the demographic in the population. This can be calculated with a chi square test for homogeneity. Still wouldn't give insight on style if pants though. In the meantime, I'll try to figure out why I'm still single.

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So Adam, based on the evidence you linked up to Black on Black crime is a much bigger deal than White on Black crime. So why does the media, yourself included, hype up the small # of white on black incidents, and the even smaller # of police involved issues? And why is it so often on your own site posts about black on black crime in Mattapan, Dorchester get nothing but a big yawn?

* During 2012-15, half (51%) of violent victimizations were intraracial, that is both victims and offenders were the same race or both were of Hispanic origin.
* In the majority of violent victimizations, white victims’ offenders were white (57%) and black victims’ offenders were black (63%).

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Adam, you are cherry picking the stats. Blacks commit 22% of violent crimes yet comprise 13% of the population. Stating that does not make a person racist, in fact denying it is the very definition of the soft racism of low expectations. There is a problem in the black community, it would be better for everyone to figure out a solution.

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We know that a large part of the problem is persistent poverty, poor schools, and over-policing. This country has a long tortured history of oppressing black people, and this is part of the result of that. One could argue that there are also some familial issues within communities of color (for example fathers who are not present in their children's lives), but that's a small contributor to the larger problem. (Although even with that, racism plays some part, with the system criminalizing many fathers, so that they cannot physically be present with their families.)

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"We know that a large part of the problem is persistent poverty, poor schools, and over-policing"

We do? Please point to any data that says mass crime stats are skewed because of "overpolicing"

" One could argue that there are also some familial issues within communities of color (for example fathers who are not present in their children's lives), but that's a small contributor to the larger problem."

Why is that a small contributor and how do you know it's a small contributor?

"Although even with that, racism plays some part, with the system criminalizing many fathers, so that they cannot physically be present with their families."

That could very well be true, but I'd like to see some actual evidence of it.

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I suggest you use the Google. All of what I've said has been extensively documented.

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Please share your “stats”. I’ll wait

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Another fun fact- white guys cause the vast majorities of abortions in the country too by refusing to have sex responsibly. So obviously the answer is mandatory vasectomies for these dangerous elements of society.

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I think that if you really looked at that stat without adding caveats to get your numbers you want, you'd see that in fact that "mass shooters" are not almost always white guys.

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How people comment without actually trying to learn anything about the topic.

Says here it's us white dudes that are doing most of the mass shootings.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-s...

Care to comment?

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Newtown, Columbine, Las Vegas, Isla Vista, Capital Gazette, Charleston, Aurora (CO), Parkland, Thousand Oaks, Pittsburgh, etc... That's 175 murders committed by 10 solo white guys. It's far from a comprehensive list of course.

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The United States has only had 9 mass shootings in 20 years (there were two guys with Columbine.)

I see you left Orlando out, to start, but check out how many shooting incidents there have been in Chicago alone involving multiple victims, this year. I bet the stats with those have different demographics than your selective choices.

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Orlando and Aurora IL were two done by non-white guys. I guess you're right and it's all equally proportioned then!

Let's look at 2016-2018 since your white pride has been so injured.

2018:
Parkland, white teen, 17 dead including kids.
Thousand Oaks, white guy, 13 people dead
Pittsburgh, white guy, 11 people dead
Santa Fe, white teen, 10 dead including kids.
Scottsdale shooting spree, black guy, 7 dead, multiple day event so not really a mass shooting but we'll count it.
Bakersfield shooting spree, Latino guy, 6 dead, multiple day event so not really a mass shooting but we'll count it.
Then five 5 victim events which with the exception of the Capitol Gazette shootings were all white people killing themselves and family (mostly men, one woman) and of course Capitol Gazette was also a white guy.

Not a gang banger shooting in the top 20, funny how that works.

Let's look at 2017 to be sure I'm not unfairly slighting our race

Las Vegas, white guy, 59 dead
Sutherland, white guy, 27 dead
Plano, white guy, 9 dead
Mississippi spree, black guy (exciting for you!), 8 dead over a few events
Rancho Tehama, white guy, 6 dead over a few events
Orlando (not Pulse), white guy, 6 dead
Then two 5 victim shootings by 1 Asian, 1 Latino.

And finally 2016:
Orlando (Pulse), Arab American, 50 dead
Kentucky/OH, white crime family killed 8 rival family members
Citronelle, white guy, 6 dead
Dallas, black guy, 6 dead
Wilkinsburg, two black guys, 6 dead
Kalamazoo, white guy, 6 dead
Cascade Mall, Turkish guy, 5 dead.

So to sum up, basically 2:1 committed by white men and with the exception of Pulse all of the highest victim counts, truly mass horror events were committed by white men.

Feel free to post all the secret mass casualty stats for Chicago to counter this. You can wait until after Hannity though if that's better timing for you.

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You are relying on basically your memory and deciding to emphasize the incidents you want to.

You see, I saw this in a meme a while back, noting that only white people are involved in, but it was shortly after a shooting in Trenton at an art fair a year ago. And you know what I found out while trying to track that down just now? There's been 2 mass shootings in Trenton in the past week. Now, we don't know the race of the shooters in those two recent incidents, but we know the race in the one last year, and they weren't white. I challenged the meme then, and the person I was interacting with basically said that they didn't count, which I noted that indeed black lives do matter, since all lives should matter, but whatever.

I guess the bottom line is that by emphasizing that mass shootings that affect white people and are perpetrating mostly by white people, you are following the same line of reasoning of the commenter that started this thread, in that they see on the news black people killing other black people and conclude that most murders are committed by black people.

By the way, at the end of the day most murders, and indeed most violent crime, are domestic in nature, meaning that typically it's white people acting violently towards other white people the know, and the same with black, Asian, Hispanic, and all other people.

You want to see a list of mass shootings. Try here. You can tell the 9 people wounded and the family on the one person killed in Chesapeake, VA on Saturday that it didn't happen, but it did.

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I truly hate to be proven right, since that would mean that there is an incident to prove your contention wrong. All in all, it would be better if there were no incident, but less than 2 days later, we sadly have the example that disproves your theory.

And it truly sucks for all of us.

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If the "theory" that you refer to is that "Mass shooters are almost, almost always white guys," then one example, or ten, does not disprove it. The word almost means that to prove it wrong, you have to come up with a large number of mass shooters who aren't white guys. You haven't done that.

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I looked at a list of the worst mass shootings (based on fatalities) since I believe 1929. Of the top 12 (there was a three way tie for 10th), 6 were perpetrated by white people, 4 by Asians, one by a Hispanic man who could be classified as white, and one was perpetrated by a black man. The only commonality is gender, but it would seem that white men account for what the average would be, blacks and Hispanics less than what would be expected, while Asians are way too heavily represented.

But in terms of what is recent and what we hear about being what is real, the theory is disproven. But then again, all of us can provide whatever subjective criteria we want to prove whatever we want.

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of gun crime and homicides committed with a gun. The majority of gun related violence, including murders, involve: young males, young non-white males committing a grossly disproportionate amount relative to their small percentage of the over-all population. Especially young black males.

By far, most of and the daily violence Americais often associated with by Europeans, etc., occurs in urban areas, involves gangs, drug trafficking. Random ectreme violence is also common in dangerous urban neighborhoods

It's also a racist myth serial killers and pedophiles are DISPROPORTIONATELY white; these types of sociopaths are evenly distributed across every 'race' and ethnicity.

By far, most violent convicts in prisons were raised by single, unmarried mothers. Another easily identifiable pattern.

FBI and DOJ stats back up everything I posted above.

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That's false.

Black non-Hispanic women have the highest abortion ratio. Black women’s abortion ratio has reached 444 abortions per 1,000 live births, while non-Hispanic white women’s abortion ratio is 124 abortions per 1,000 live births.

37% of women having abortions are white, 37% are black, 19% are Hispanic, and 7% other races.

According to the Guttmacher Institute, “Women who obtain abortions are predominantly poor or low-income, in their 20s and unmarried; black women and Hispanic women continue to be disproportionately represented among abortion patients.”

https://www.bound4life.com/statistics

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...an anti-choice website is an objective source of statistics.

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Not sure of many that also take into account the clothing and musical preferences of the convicted, but maybe I've missed something.

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Well the stats can't speak if you don't know how to read stats.

1 - Race is not real. We made it up. You can't start to analyze these stats without understanding that part of our history.

2 - Even if what you said was 100% true, it still wouldn't be enough information to determine that listening to a specific genre of music causes one to be violent. Have you controlled for other possible causes? Do you have a group of black people where all other factors are the same except for the music they listen to, and that group was shown to be less violent?

3 - Do you really need all that? Would we need to prove to you that rich people don't usually join gangs? Kids with little to no options do. Which means poverty came way before any act of violence. And much of that poverty came from redlining, which was caused by white people, long before the hip-hop genre existed.

4 - Maybe if your life is very difficult you don't sit around listening to songs about holding hands and flowers. People like music that reflects their experiences. So maybe appreciation for this music came after life threw them nothing but lemons, not before.

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Does O'Keefe think the criminal justice system is perfect or is not in anyway racist?

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which odds are you can't read because the Herald has a paywall

The Globe has a paywall too, so I can't see District Attorney O'Keefe's column. For anyone interested though, I see the Globe is offering a tempting "flash sale" with 6 months for $1. Might be worth a buck to call the Globe's sales office in Manila, Philippines via the Dorchester phone number. I had a lot of laughs with the CSR when I canceled after the fake Trump front page. Good to see them trying to bring us back for $1.

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Manila, Philippines

Boy, that really burned you up, huh? You actually had to speak to a foreigner and it scarred you for life.

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The Boston Globe newspaper published a mock front page on April 10, 2016 (3 years ago), as commentary arguing against then-candidate Donald Trump's presidential campaign.
Nearly two years later, that mock front page turned out to be eerily prophetic.

Some of the fictional headlines on the page that read, "Deportations to begin" and "Markets sink as trade war looms," are similar to what is happening in the present day under the Trump administration.

You need to get a hobby or therapy - maybe both - nobody should have go through your turmoil

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they auto-enrolled me for a year. I had to complain to the credit card company to get it reversed.

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I worked with young man from suburban upstate NY. He came to Boston for college. We were talking about life in the city (where I grew up and lived) when he mentioned how amazed he was when he first saw 'poor' white kids 'acting black'. By this he meant, for lack of a better word, 'ghetto'. I explained to him it wasn't an act. They were like this because they grew up under similar socioeconomic circumstances disadvantaged black kids in the city. He looked down on the white kids, but accepted the way the black kids behaved and talked.

If you are socioeconomically disadvantaged, you will be treated more poorly by almost everyone in society. Now just blacks, but also 'white trash'.

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is itself a good illustration of your point. "Black trash" isn't a phrase people use, perhaps because the overculture considers it redundant.

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There are other words for the people you allude to. All of them get deemed offensive in due time because the fact is objectionable and the word is a convenient target.

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that *you* will not be giving space to racist old white guys on *your* local press?

I largely stopped reading the comment section a year ago because of the racist, sexist, etc. comments that you allowed on your site. I'd be pleased to hear if that has changed...

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There are 4-5 accounts here that post pretty much nothing but racist content. Please get rid of them.

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or are you just happy to see me?

Or are you trying to tell us that because he's Jewish any criticism of him is racist? Just like if you were opposed to anything the dear leader did, it was because you couldn't handle a black man in the White House, and no other possible reason alone?

Actually, hold that thought. I'm Jewish. And an immigrant. And a refugee. And I wear eyeglasses Disagreeing with me is racist and ableist.

Naw, that's just stupid. So is the ACLU for arguing there is an automatic right of foreign nationals to enter American territory and for deciding that their once ironclad commitment to free speech is problematic. And if Soros gave them any money in the last few years, he's stupid too.

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ever, I'm guessing the simpler explanation for this unparsable gibberish is that you're merely hoping to stir the pot, in which case we're all better off, as ever, just ignoring you.

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Roman has admitted to being a troll, in a subsequently-deleted comment. Stirring the pot is why he's here.

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If not, what was the gist and the context?

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It was a comment about two days ago which began with him claiming he was "just being honest," and went on to say that "before I became an ... internet troll," he was some other boring thing.

I had no idea Adam was going to delete both it and my reply, where I pointed out that he'd admitted being a troll. Watch this space.

Update: Scroll down to find him admitting it again.

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So an own goal. The way the software works, you delete a comment, it takes all its replies with it.

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I didn't know it worked like that.

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But I'm kind of surprised that they would just admit it like that. Pretty much blows up their entire shtick and isn't true to form.

Thanks for rehashing that for me though.

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Wow. I really did make it big as an internet troll.

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By Roman on Fri, 05/31/2019 - 7:44am.

Wow. I really did make it big as an internet troll.

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Slim buddy, even your insults don't make sense anymore.

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I'll start the gofundme today. Just say the word. If you won't block the dogwhistlers, let us block 'em.

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A tab that opens comments instead of them being directly under the post.

Its hard to resist sometimes when you see the usual suspects (we all know who they are) spouting fever dream nonsense and not chime in on their usual willfully ignorant posts.

However, if we give our brains half a second to decide on seeing the comments I'd be willing to bet most of us wouldn't bother interacting.

Thus starving the trolls and forcing them to seek attention elsewhere. Like from their families.

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How far along are we buddy?

By the way, aren’t you supposed to be a member of the “tolerant left?”

Doesn’t seem so tolerant and inclusive to me :’(

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Tracker for lbb’s “block function” requests

Do it yourself if it means that much to you.

How far along are we buddy?

In a gofundme that doesn't exist (yet)? Zero. But you knew that, BUDDY.

By the way, aren’t you supposed to be a member of the “tolerant left?”

Doesn’t seem so tolerant and inclusive to me :’(

That's because you're either stupid or disingenuous.

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Definitely a member of the tolerant left.

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I love it when the news puts all the facts in the paper, (as in giving an idiot enough rope to hang himself), then people read it and get upset at the Globe for publishing it. FYI, you are not clever for your interpretation of the facts presented. It just wasn't that tough to figure out.

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"...and the true cause of all the crime in Boston today: Black kids in saggy pants who listen to the hip hop."

What is this, 1998!?

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