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Triggered snowflakes protest in front of the State House; don't they have jobs to go to?

Shamus Moynihan captured a ragtag band of protesters today:

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70 million people voted for him and their devotion is pretty strong.

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We'll be here in the real world when they want to return to it.

Otherwise, fuck them and move on. We'll tear down their propaganda machines and hope they wake up. We can't reason them away from a position they didn't reason themselves into.

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unlike 2016, the candidate with the fewest votes isn't entitled to the presidency.

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They got outvoted by millions. They are pathetic toddlers.

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No, wait, that's NASCAR.

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I don't see anything racist here. Just voters getting out and trying to share their sorrows.

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Maybe I'm just old, but all I hear is a lot of "blah, blah" (and one STFU....I did hear that!) What is the crowd chanting and what is the complaint of the people in front of the statehouse?

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Their candidate for President lost. And what do you do when your candidate for President loses? You protest in front of the State House and declare that the candidate that got the most Electoral Votes is not your President.

I guess this is the new tradition now.

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It was a close call, but as someone who voted for the Biden/Harris ticket via absentee ballot and the vote drop-box outside our City Hall, I'm more than glad that Biden and Harris got in. All's not perfect, and there's still a good bit of work to be done, but it's a big step forward.

A BIG thanks to all the Democrats, Republicans and Independents who made the election of the Biden/Harris ticket possible!

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Their candidate for President lost. And what do you do when your candidate for President loses? You protest in front of the State House and declare that the candidate that got the most Electoral Votes is not your President.

this is an infuriatingly uninformed response. biden didn’t run on a platform of xenophobia, misogyny, racism etc.

there’s also one other significant nugget: biden has won both the popular and electoral votes.

keep pretending they’re the same though, it’s much easier on the brain.

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I guess my takeaway for them is that you think people should just accept that their candidate didn’t win and STFU, no? I guess the authoritarian trend continues.

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my dad went there in the 60s. as far as he tells it, reading comprehension was a prerequisite for entrance. i guess things have gone downhill since then?

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The only prerequisite for BUin the 60's was a check that cleared.

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I studied political science there. If your dad studied that, we probably had the same professor, Murray Levin, the Marxist who had a maid.

Anyway, you responded to my observation that this is yet another example of people taking to Beacon Street when the election results don't go their way (an objective fact) some nonsense about those who were demonstrating, mainly as a way to diminish them. People are happy, and people are sad. So long as they aren't violent, I could not care less. Again, so long as come January 20, people realize who is President, leave them do what they do.

You seemed triggered by my response. Dare I refer you to the title of Adam's article.

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Anyway, you responded to my observation that this is yet another example of people taking to Beacon Street when the election results don't go their way (an objective fact) some nonsense about those who were demonstrating, mainly as a way to diminish them.

my point is that the difference between the grievances is significant – not just “my candidate lost”. if your goal is to be a dispassionate arbiter of history where all action is devoid of context, then sure; each group is just mad their candidate lost. your high minded analysis goes well beyond the reach of my feeble imagination.

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Why were they doing whatever they did several days ago is immaterial to anything the candidate they supported did or didn't do. Four years ago there was a similar gnashing to teeth when the candidate who tried to destroy all competition on route to her inevitable coronation as President lost the election for reasons her supports still cannot fathom. From an objective level, history repeated. That you mourned in 2016 and celebrated in 2020 only means you were not among those who celebrated in 2016 and mourned in 2020.

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the popular vote by 3M and lost the electoral college by less that 80,000 votes spread across three key swing states.

The Russians and Comey putting their thumbs on the scale didn't help, nor a protracted right-wing propaganda campaign to exaggerate Benghazi into 9/11 and pin it on Hillary, among other base smears lapped up by mouth-breathing rightie voters.

Top off with ongoing blue-voter suppression. It's not that complicated.

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running a campaign based on overt racism, xenophobia, sexism, etc is just politics.

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I guess my takeaway for them is that you think people should just accept that their candidate didn’t win and STFU, no?

They don't have to STFU, it's their lives to spend how they want. But accept it? Yeah, it's a fact. They have not produced any reason to dispute the result other than that they didn't like it. So what exactly are they protesting?

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if you just ignore all context, these protests are exactly the same as the 2016 protests.

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against the declaration of Biden as the President-Elect, organized by the right-wing Facebook group "Stop the Steal". Depending on which still-not-quite-declared state you're in, they either wanted the votes to stop being counted or continue to be counted, whichever looked better for Trump, screw self-consistency.

The rest of them are just pissing into the stiff wind of reality, as nobody on the right has produced the tiniest shred of credible evidence of widespread election fraud. (Hint: if you're going to the trouble to fake votes, why not include down-ballot candidates, too, so Dems could take the Senate and not lose ground in the House?) Trump is now 0-9 in his court efforts to challenge results: the AZ sharpie bid failed earlier today.

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I think this and the 2016 elections both had plenty of illegal shenanigans happening that favored Trump/GOP. In 2016 there's ample evidence of foreign interference -- probably outright hacking. Given how far off the polls are in 2020, I suspect the same. Only in 2020 they were less successful.

I'm not going to protest because I don't see the point. But I absolutely believe the vote was partially fixed and the total number of people who selected Biden far exceeds the number of votes in his column.

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either way, but there's no denying that the GOP has heavily and effectively focused on blue voter suppression for decades. Exhibit A: state GOP officials forcing local election officials not to start counting absentee / mail-in ballots until Election Day, Trump sabotaging the USPS, discouraging everything but in-person voting, then insisting that the vote count be stopped after Election Day. The closing of polling places, elimination of Sunday voting, reduction of drop boxes to one per county (TX), etc., etc. How transparent can you get?

The GOP, including Trump, has openly acknowledged that the greater the franchise, the more their chances dwindle. Cheating is all they have left.

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The "fraud" of making it as hard as possible for many groups to vote is undeniable. The GOP is pretty open about the fact they need to limit voting as much as possible as a strategic goal.

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I do not believe that the vote for the Biden/Harris ticket was even partially fixed or rigged. The Democrats don't do that, nor do they have a history of that kind of shenaganism. The democratic party may not be perfect, but they're honest enough not to steal, or even try to steal/fix an election.

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The Democrats don't do that, nor do they have a history of that kind of shenaganism.

Lol I guess you weren't paying attention during the primaries.

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That any of the primary ballots were changed?

Did the DNC send resources to thier preferred candidates, yes. They didn't do any sort of hacking or voter fraud.

Look, I wanted a Warren/Castro ticket, so I'm also disappointed that we ended up with an old white man and a cop, but I don't think the primary was rigged. I think more people voted for Biden.

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Is Russian propaganda bullshit.

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...it's not the same thing as changing votes. It's changing MINDS.

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the Trump campaign is alleging widespread changing of votes, not backroom deals.

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In the past four years, I have yet to see evidence of any “hacking” of the 2016 election. Did I miss something, or is this coming from the same part of your mind where some will say the 2020 election was somehow “hacked” by the Biden campaign?

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mainly via social media: armies of Russian trolls on Putin's payroll shit-posting about Hillary day and night for the whole year before the election. Useful to read the report of the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee on it.

It's not a controversial finding in either the intelligence community or the commercial cybersecurity world that tracks Russian intelligence operations online. Even GOP senators had to come to the same conclusion.

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Too many different issues are conflated here, and if we don't use clear language in speaking of them, we'll never fix any of them. Voter suppression, voter fraud, changing of votes, disinformation, are all different problems and need different tools to fix them.

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that point right in the subject line.

I'd call right-wing voter suppression a bigger problem than all the other issues you cite put together in terms of influence on outcomes.

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We haven't heard the statistics yet, but voting absentee (especially for 1st time absentee voters) will usually lead to a higher likelihood of a ballot being disqualified than voting in person. With the massive number of Democratic absentee votes, you'll have to expect a decent percent to be disqualified. It ends up being a built-in form of voter suppression if one sides votes absentee compared to the other.

Update: I just found an NYT article that says that rejection rates this year are *much* lower than in previous elections, but we'll have to see. Sounds like some states sent new ballots out to those who made mistakes and there were more obvious opportunities to "cure" defective ballots. Historically about 1% of absentee ballots are not counted.

Some of the improvements in acceptance rates appear to be because some states changed the confusing rules around signatures and have bent over backwards to make it easier for voters and to fix their mistakes.

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It’s their constitutional right to. Who cares. What they eat don’t make me shit.

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Steal, or attempt to steal or rig an election? Sorry, but I don't buy that.

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to protest, which it is. And you should support that, even if it's a neo-Nazi march in Skokie. Free speech has to embrace the right to express even the most loathsome or misguided or ignorant opinions (currently with a handful of notable exceptions, like conducting fraud, stealing intellectual property, or distributing child pornography.)

I think it's useful to know where people stand, whatever their chosen turf on the political spectrum. We should all remember that nearly half the voters, over 70M citizens, looked at President White Supremacy and said, "Yep, dat me."

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Even if we don’t agree with the protesters. That’s why I don’t care about this group.

I don’t get the twitter comment though. It’s Saturday, most people are off. Some chose to party in the streets, others to protest. Am I missing something?

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They are trying to destroy democracy. Fuck them.

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That they don't have the right to do.

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Triggered snowflakes protest in front of the State House; don't they have jobs to go to

There were more triggered counterprotesters than triggered protesters in front of the State House yesterday.

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the joke.

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