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Two Everett breweries forced to close because of customer who went barhopping while waiting for a Covid-19 test - which came back positive

MassLive.com reports.

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Selfish, selfish, selfish.

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See, this is why we can't have nice things. Makes one wonder why tarring and feathering ever went out of style.

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But from what I've read about 1918 (The Great Influenza by John Barry - GO BUY IT!) and a deep feeling in my gut, I think everyone should still be buying an extra few rolls of TP, paper towels, and a couple extra canned goods with every visit to the supermarket.

Because I think we're still in the eye of this storm.

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"This is Intermisssion"

Y'all should have those stockpiles in place for the ongoing Tropical Stormapalooza and the occasional Nor'Easter, and late-season combinations therof.

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One piece of missing info: was this person waiting for test results because they had symptoms/recent exposure or...?

If this was 3-6 months ago, I'd say that anyone waiting for test results is doing so because they need to be tested. Today, that is not always the case.

My employer is testing us twice a week, with results usually back in 12-36 hours. Does that mean that for two days, twice a week, I should remain completely isolated from the world, because I am awaiting my test results?

Yeah, it's going to suck if I go somewhere and then I get a positive result back, but I'm guessing that most of the public that is also out and about isn't getting tested regularly.

Now, if they were waiting for test results because it was likely that they were infected, then yes, they are a selfish and dangerous person.

[Admittedly, I have not eaten anywhere that wasn't home or my office since this all began, so it's much of a moot point for me.]

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I had this same thought. In many communities you can get tested just by virtue of living in that city and I believe Everett is on that list. I will be honest I sometimes get tested after I find myself in a situation that was more crowded than expected. It is not that I think I have it or have symptoms but I just feel it is the responsible thing to do. Should I not go out when I get these tests until I get results? The alternative is I just do not get tested?

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But the only reason I got that test was so I could go on vacation in Maine, only to find out that they don't seem to think much of enforcing their own regulations on the local businesses north of Freeport.

I had no contacts and no symptoms and hadn't even been out of the house for a week.

I also did contactless pick up - they put it in your car for you. I didn't stop to drink.

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They made us sign a statement at the hotel and the restaurant we went to took our name and number for tracing. They seem to be taking every one's word for it.

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... should not be frequenting bats and restaurants period. Before or after tests.
This is a pandemic.
This person was a danger to society. We need enforcement and fines to protect us from the people who flaunt health regulations.
10 to one, this same asshole went right out and infected more people after the positive result.

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My employer is also testing twice a week (for all onsite personnel).

Almost nobody they test is a danger to society.

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If your employer thinks you’re a risk. Then something you do makes you a risk.

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Really? The people that made the decision know my name and my home address and nothing else. Everyone is tested if they need to be onsite even if they are 100% isolated at home and working in a one person office. There is no correlation at all between who is being tested (at my job) and who is most exposed. Sorry, you are just flat out wrong about this.

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That's because most who are being tested are being tested for reasons other than they were exposed or have symptoms.

That's 9 positives per 1000 tests.

You are claiming that tens of thousands of people isolate themselves when tens of those will be infected.

Think about that for a minute.

Then check this out:
https://www.mass.gov/info-details/covid-19-updates-and-information#what-...

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If your employer thinks you’re a risk. Then something you do makes you a risk

I don't think they're doing it because they think you're "a risk", they're trying to...create a firewall of sorts? That's the wrong term, I know. But they recognize that being alive and without covid antibodies is "a risk" in this world today, and they're trying to catch it early. It's just like responsible dine-in businesses require contact information so they can do contact tracing if need be: if other precautions fail, this is how they minimize the damage.

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there are insurance-related concerns in play here, too.

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Even if I'm coming in to work just to sit in my office and have no "close contact" with any other people. Meanwhile, most healthcare workers, first responders, and grocery store employees are NOT getting routinely/regularly tested. Should they be allowed to frequent these places, since they aren't waiting for a test result?

If you want to extend it to "before a test," I am perpetually in the "before a test" period until my employer ends the testing protocol, so I guess I am not allowed in public any more unless I quit my job.

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. Meanwhile, most healthcare workers, first responders, and grocery store employees are NOT getting routinely/regularly tested. Should they be allowed to frequent these places, since they aren't waiting for a test result?

THIS.

This is what horrifies me about going anywhere near a medical place. They are not testing staff regularly.

A nurse friend in Florida says one doctor got it, and gave it to several patients that were not even there for COVID19 related illnesses. Now they are.

Yet others are tested frequently. And don't even get me going on sports players get tested daily.

Sports > doctors/nurses/emts apparently

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two of my cousins who work in nursing homes get tested every other week. and if someone tests positive, that moves to every week. One of them actually administers the tests to their co-workers.

So you can count on 1 middle MA and 1 western MA places providing testing for their employees.

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I think after the demise of so many residents of extended care/nursing homes; a mandate was issued requiring frequent testing of professional staff. I think even residents are tested with regularity as well. All of which is to prevent additional outbreak of massive numbers. All well and good in my book.

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IF this person had a test due to symptoms or positive test in a close contact, they shouldn't have been out playing.

Otherwise? You have to get tested to go to any number of places or do any number of things, and having a test doesn't mean anything other than pre-planning.

Sometimes it is just opportunistic - as in the town health officer wanders into a retail place and lets everyone know that their testmobile is down the street and its kind of quiet right now ... which shouldn't mean that everyone who says "oh sure" and walks over should hide from the world for the next week.

Perhaps you should read the actual guidelines for quarantining and testing.

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Exactly... When you go to events that cater to gay people it's not uncommon to have bowls with condoms all over the place and free testing for STDS at tents etc. It's not uncommon for people to take tests just because they are available. There is also now Prep and the concept of acting like everyone has something (explains the condoms.)

If we want to push Covid19 back then we need to take in this mind set for a while. Everyone has it... You get tested as often as you can... You take your precautions if available. Basic protection should always be easily accessible (masks replace condoms in this scenario.) Accepting the free STD test does not mean you have reason to believe you have one but rather a pre emptive measure. Same thing with many people and Covid tests. If we are going to force everyone who gets tested into quarantine then people will just stop getting tested. It should be based off of symptoms and if you believe you were highly likely to have contracted it.

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When you go to events that cater to gay people it's not uncommon to have bowls with condoms all over the place and free testing for STDS at tents etc.

Gosh, brunch has gotten fancy.

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the AIDS crisis resulted in practicing safe sex - using condoms and expecting every partner is infected with HiV. And also resulted in Universal Precautions that every time bodily fluids are exposed to another party to be protected by gloves, gown and mask to prevent infections. At the time, patients were insulted if a doctor came in protected due to stigma attached to HiV. Now it is a standard operating procedure in medical facilities and noone thinks anything about it. Now with Covid-19; I would expect that Universal Precautions be amended to what we are experiencing today. In a few years; we will be accosted to the full precautions and think nothing of what we see today.

Having free condoms at events is definitely a gay thing - a holdover from the AIDS Crisis. However decades later that is far less prevalent. As we moved further from AIDS being a death sentence and now a more accepted illness the use of condoms has decreased as well. HiV has not gone away but is now considered more mainstream - and much more could be written but is irrelevant to the HiV vs Covid correlation.... To put the condom and face-mask in a parallel: safer sex/condom use became accepted as a way to protect both/all participants for a targeted population. We have become somewhat accepting of currently wearing face-masks with the expectation that it is a temporary necessity to slow the curve, while shopping, to get us to a vaccine etc. There is still a good percent of the population that refuses to wear a mask and a larger population that reluctantly wears it (generally when required to enter an establishment) but doesn't believe it is needed. I believe that as time marches on, few people will regularly wear a mask, people will expect herd immunity to become prevalent. Even with a vaccine being approved by the first of the year; it will take several more years for the general population to be inoculated. Notwithstanding local governments pushing for face-masks long into the future; I do not see it becoming part of our every day lives as in other countries.

I lived thru the AIDS Crisis and readily accepted the changes that came from it. I have an immune-compromised system and have come to terms that I likely will wear a mask in public for the rest of my (hopefully long) life.

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Why don't you capitalize the 'i' in HIV?

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You mean, most parents just don't keep costco size boxes of condoms around during their kids teen years and have standing permission on file with their docs for STD tests?

Then again, I fought the insurance so my boys could get the HPV vaccination.

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Then tell us why libraries are closed but bars and restaurants are open.
Try thinking logically and scientifically rather than letting politicians and lobbyists tell you what to think.

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Based on your lack of grasp of the epidemiological principles involved, and some poorly aimed moral outrage. This could be easily solved by going to mass.gov and following the links for learning about how testing works.

I have read the guidelines, toots - I am a professional epidemiologist and it is my JOB to read them AND understand them. I have also published papers on workplace transmission of viruses through ventilation systems, and helped build a prototype machine for testing mask efficiency back in the SARS 1 era. You only *think* you know what you are talking about.

https://www.mass.gov/info-details/covid-19-updates-and-information#what-...

Not everyone has the luxury to hide in their cave, require others take risks to bring them groceries, and then lecture people based on what they don't know or what they partly know. A prime example of your moral scolding based on half-known info is your statement that "bars are open but not libraries".

That is not what the situation actually is. Some libraries have held outdoor events and are circulating books by contactless pick up. Indoor bar service is still not available in most cities and towns, and has strict rules. Both Bone Up and Night Shift are seating and serving by reservation only on the outdoor patios and not indoors.

The reopening guidelines are here, and be aware that many local boards of health are being more strict than the state permits: https://www.mass.gov/info-details/reopening-massachusetts

Sometimes half knowledge is more hazardous than no knowledge.

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.... has named me her successor. Is she thinking emotionally?

I nominate her the Empress of Self Aggrandizement. Will that will get her swirling? Too funny!

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Just name calling? Cool, cool, cool - I guess you won that policy/science argument for sure.

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With bells on.

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Meets name calling jackass.

Of course the name calling jackass claims victory.

Sounds like someone whose name ends in "rump".

You seem perfectly fine demanding that others be exposed so that you can maintain your state of moral purity of essence. Funny how your delivery drivers worked long hours through the worst of it so you could be morally pure.

I've provided more than enough links to factual information, dear. Learn the science or STFU germaphobia boy.

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summer gin and tonics muddled with hallucinatory agents this afternoon, Empress?

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QED

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... dabbles in maths as well.

Which brewery are you hanging at now?
Maybe time to stop shouting and pull your mask up and swirl your way home.

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Epidemiology is a math intensive field.

You just self-owned again.

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Honestly, watching you post is like watching a toddler smear food on its face and think they're creating a masterpiece.

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With bells on.

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Libraries CAN be open right now.

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... basis and by appointment only at certain times for those in need of internet access.
As the internet is the main way most get information, the lack of access to those who can’t get it at home and rely on library access is especially a concern for public health during the pandemic.
That people can gather in large groups for “good times” indoors and outdoors on public sidewalks without masks is alarming. Eating out is a luxury. But the bar and restaurant industry, well known for frequently breaking employment law and for not paying a living wage continues doing what it does without scrutiny. We all pay the price for that.

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Since testing is still about 90% being in the right place at the right time, I can't fault the vast majority of people for not knowing what the right way to go about their lives is.

My employer has a testing tent set up, so even though they don't want me to go back to work, I still went down to get a test because why not? Meanwhile my wife also needed a test for work, even though they also don't want her back at work yet, and she had to sit outside a minute clinic in the broiling sun for four hours a few weeks ago.

Should I be getting regular tests? Who knows? Has knowing I'm negative changed anything for me? Not a bit!

Would I feel differently if it felt like anybody in charge at any level had any sort of a plan? I'd love to know.

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Isn't this what started this whole mess?

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... should not be frequenting bats and restaurants period. Before or after tests.
This is a pandemic.
This person was a danger to society. We need enforcement and fines to protect us from the people who flaunt health regulations.
10 to one, this same asshole went right out and infected more people after the positive result.

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Anyone getting a Covid test for any reason...should not be frequenting bats and restaurants period.

I'm with you on bats, for obvious reasons.

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Of course if the person was not feeling well or had known exposure to someone with covid, then yes, they should have stayed home. But if they are just getting routine test because they could or because they were travelling somewhere, I have no problem with them going out. When I go out, I just act like everyone has covid and act accordingly by wearing my mask if I can't be at least 6 ft away. I am curious as to what the brewery's protocols are for having patrons there. I thought the whole reason we have to wear masks while standing or walking through any restaurant, etc. and keeping tables at least 6 ft apart is to stop the spread of covid if any patron happens to have it.

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n/t

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Obviously not the best time... but I'll take this moment to plug both of those breweries and Short Path distillery around the corner. Night Shift has great beer. I don't like Bone Up's beer as much, but it's a really cool little place with excellent service, and the beer is good. Short Path has the best gin I've ever had and they've been expanding into other interesting flavored liquor. Cool spot and also great service.

That whole area has changed from rusty old warehouses to a great destination... of course I don't recommend going too often right now, but I've been trying to buy to go to help them all out.

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I love Short Path - been drinking summer gin with muddled basil, lime, and tonic all summer!

And using my little bottle of hand sanitizer from their distillery, too.

Agree about Bone Up (we call it Bro Up) and Night Shift. Idle Hands is a short hop away, too. You can do contact-free pickup at any of them, and they all have distanced patios open.

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My new favorite term to describe an area of a city or town where one specific business (in this case, breweries) is clustered.

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It seems to be a common way to refer to the area now: https://blog.bozzuto.com/2018/03/boston-beer-lovers-fermentation-district/

Of course, it is also easy to filk "Ventura Highway" into "Santilli Highway" ... you wanna go, I know ... smell of peanut butter in the air ... in the air!

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How about a sign that says no entry if you are:
Sick in any way, been recently exposed to sick people, are awaiting test results.
The point should be to make people, and their friends in attendance, aware that they're breaking house policy etc.. and can't get off guilt free with such appearances.

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The infected person who KNOWINGLY put others at risk by bar hopping while awaiting a coronavirus test during a PANDEMIC should pay for the lost wages of the employees who weren't allowed to work during the closure that he selfishly caused. Good luck to all he KNOWINGLY put at risk.

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it was selfish and self-centered from ppl who don't care. These bars are struck in the middle and struggling to find a way to make ends meet. Covid is REAL only those of us who work in Healthcare understand the severity of it and the danger of irresponsible behavior. They should sue whoever it was for lost wages that'll keep them from engaging in stupid behavior. Damn shame

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All it takes is for one or two inconsiderate, selfish people to get everybody else screwed over. Thanks to people like that stupid idiot who went into the Everett Breweries because he was bar-hopping, the Covid-19 Pandemic is totally out of control here in the United States as a whole, and other people are at risk. What a creep!

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My first reaction was wtf but folks are right, depends on why they were tested

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