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State study: Covid-19 vaccination works; vaccinated people who get infected are far, far less likely to get really sick or die than vax deniers

Chart showing numbers of cases among unvaccinated and vaccinated

From state study

The state Department of Public Health today released Covid-19 stats showing the unvaccinated are 31 times more likely than the fully boosted to contract Covid-19 at all, and that full vaccination means only a small number of breakthrough cases will result in hospitalization or death, and none at all in people under 30.

Unvaccinated residents are five times more likely to become infected than fully vaccinated residents (two doses of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine or one dose of Johnson & Johnson) and unvaccinated residents are 31 times more likely to become infected than fully vaccinated residents who have received a booster.

The data comes from Massachusetts resident with Covid-19 cases diagnosed between the beginning of September and the end of November.

For every 100,000 unvaccinated Massachusetts residents, there are now 640 new Covid-19 cases a week, compared to a rate of 145 for partially vaccinated residents and just 21 for residents who have gotten their initial shots and then a booster, according to the study.

99.9% of breakthrough cases among fully vaccinated people under the age of 60 did not result in death. Among the breakthrough cases for residents over the age of 60, 97% did not result in death. No deaths have been reported in breakthrough cases among those under age 30.

The study continues that since December, 2020, there have been 88,968 breakthrough cases among vaccinated Massachusetts residents - about 2% of the total who have gotten their shots.

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There are legitimate health reasons not to get vaccinated and these people are not the same as deniers

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Who are unvaccinated, as well as people who are vaccinated but for whom the shots are ineffective because they have immune issues.

Which makes the Q-inspired, Trump-whipped anti vaxxers (hey, anybody notice the Great Man admitted getting a booster?) all the more reprehensible because they are potentially putting such people at risk.

Those are the people I'm referring to, not people with immune disorders.

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Those are the people I'm referring to, not people with immune disorders.

To my understanding, almost all people with immune disorders can and should get vaccinated.

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You're not wrong, but every time someone wants to defend the "un-vaxed", this comes up...yet I always have a suspicion that those using this argument don't really know who "these people" are, what their "legitimate health reasons" are, and what percentage of the "un-vaxed" they represent. Can you describe "these people"?

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... for a chronic condition, where most vaccinations will either fail or screw with the drugs' effectiveness.

The one individual I know personally went off meds, under supervision, for 3 months and got a number of vaccinations, including both covid shots. They won't be able to get a booster immediately, because their doctor is clear that the 3 months was all their body could manage without treatment.

The other known groups with problems are HIV patients (the condition and the cocktail are likely to deep six any immune uptake), and chemo patients (chemotheraply interferes severely with immune uptake). With those and similar conditions, the problem is that the vaccine (of whatever variety) is unlikely to work at all while they're under treatment.

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for a chronic condition, where most vaccinations will either fail or screw with the drugs' effectiveness.

Correct, although to my understanding, it's the drugs that screw with the vaccines' effectiveness, not the other way around (I suspect that's what you meant). There are a lot of medications and treatments, including but not limited to chemo, that suppress the immune response and can interfere with the vaccines' effectiveness. What they don't do is make the vaccines harmful to people taking these medications. There are people who are severely immunosuppressed as a result of treatments, and as you say, the vaccine will be less effective for them, and its timing has to be managed carefully -- not because it's in any way harmful, but to maximize its effectiveness.

It's not surprising that many people don't understand this difference. It IS problematic when they don't care, and when they hijack people with "chronic conditions" to use them as an argument for whatever point they're trying to make. I really wish that people would spend the minimal effort to understand the situation of immune-suppressed people, covid and vaccines, rather than vaguely mumbling about "people with medical conditions" in a stupid game of misinformation telephone.

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Apparently there are some people who have a pretty nasty reaction to the polyethylene glycol (PEG) that's in the mRNA vaccines, and unfortunately they often react similarly to the polysorbate 80 in the Janssen/J&J vaccine. (The person I heard about this from got it anyway, but it has to be medically supervised and I believe they ended up hospitalized for one such shot.) Even "inert" ingredients can be a problem for someone out there, because biology is complicated and immune systems doubly so.

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Why do you mention immune systems? Even if the “inert” ingredients have side effects, why would those side effects have anything to do with the immune system? Just because they’re in the same vial with the vaccine doesn’t mean they have any of its characteristics. You are inadvertently suggesting a kind of chemical guilt-by-association.

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You're right that my comment was confusing -- I should have mentioned that in the case of PEG, it was an allergic reaction.

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Out of curiosity, do you know how common these reactions are?

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One page I found indicated PEG allergies in maybe 1/40,000 people, but take that with a huge grain of salt (unless you have hypernatremia) because I also saw somewhere else that some double-digits portion of the population has antibodies to PEG.

In any case, the CDC does specifically warn about it: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/speci...

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Vive Le Magoo!

Defendez Le Magoo! Contre Les Autres!

Il un homme! Il un idee! Il un pisstaker plus magnifique!

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Magoo est bel et bien vivant. Magoo aime être Magoo et vous pouvez être un magoo si vous le souhaitez aussi. Magoo

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Is this like some weird UHub version of Let's Go Brandon? Y'all need to be on the Internet a bit more.

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Y'all need to be on the Internet a bit more.much much less

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To each their own but it really seems to just be an innocent bit to me.

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Despite getting my two initial vax jabs in April, the COVID I got while in the hospital was a 3 on a scale of 10 in COVID misery. It was like a very bad respiratory infection where I lost only my sense of smell (taste was still pretty good), I had an occasional fever that got knocked down with Tylenol and sweating, and the coughing was incessant.

The only things that were worse were the cellulitis (my original admission), kidney injury (as a result of cellulitis treatment - in itself not bad, but I was on strict fluid and sodium restriction), and atrial flutter. Other than that, COVID could have been a lot worse if I had not been jabbed.

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im mildly immunocompromised, yet upon contracting covid 7.5 months after my second shot i had no fever and mild symptoms that passed after two days.

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But mandates suck. For the first time in my life I’m genuinely worried the Democratic Party is going to lose ground. And votes.

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How long have shots been required to go to school or to travel abroad?

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I don’t recall the State Department ever asking me to include evidence of vaccines with my passport application?

School (and camp) proof is a thing, though if you recall from the before time, requests for exemptions were a thing and spanned the ideological spectrum, though concentrated in the extremes.

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Vaccines are required to enter some countries.

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I'd rather be alive and not sick in order to beat down Nazis.

By the way, National Front posters are being stuck up in the burbs. Yours truly removed one from a traffic box despite the incredible lack of fingernails the other day.

TFG '24 stickers are popping up all over highway signs in suburbia beyond the local shut in with their LGB flags.

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Everyone who doesn’t agree with you isn’t a fucking Nazi. You sound so immature.

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He is giving them clear support here.

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He's allowing them to use this platform (so far, in some cases, not all). He's also responding to their disinformation. It's a tricky position to be in: if someone posts disinformation, is the best response to delete it (even though some people may have already read it) or to counter it, as he has been doing?

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Yeah no this is bullshit, Adam's doing an amazing job allowing meaningful dialog to occur while somehow keeping the place free of qanon/chemtrail/5g nuts. Or he's just deleting their posts faster than I can browse. Both sides of the aisle are here but this an oasis compared to most comment sections.

You disagree?

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Adam does however let in short, many times downmarket thought out Anon posts to create meek counter points or to have him himself answer a question or statement which he takes umbrage with.

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Oh, and here I thought *I* was trolling *you*! This is some Gift of the Magi shit here.

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It's honestly pretty marginal as far as comment sections go. It's not a complete dumpster fire -- it's not completely unmoderated -- but Adam keeps a lighter touch than I would, that's for sure. I've several times completely quit the site because of the commenters. (Having a script to hide some of the worst offenders does help, though!)

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...that script again, please and thank you.

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You'll need the TamperMonkey browser extension for Firefox, Chrome, or whatever. Then go to https://github.com/timmc/userscripts/raw/master/uhub-horizons.user.js and you'll be asked if you want to install it. There's a section near the top you can edit to adjust the usernames to block; I haven't made it so that those names are saved in a preferences file, but theoretically that's possible.

It's a little janky and could be made easier to use for the less tech savvy, but it does the job for me.

(Someone else has a full-on browser extension that does something similar, but I think it only works for one browser. Userscripts like this one are more flexible.)

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I just switched out the NoMagoo script for yours and hopefully it will work.

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I don't think the policies are as bad as the messaging. The fact the GOP only narrowly lost in 2020 and picked up minority voters across the board should have been an emergency wake-up call. The Democrats might not need to change their policies but they definitely need to change what they rhetorically focus on.

Most of the Democratic policies remain popular, including most of the COVID ones. But the way these policies are being presented sucks. Manchin and Baker are both good examples of politicians who have figured out how to be popular (as in, get elected) in difficult environments. If you care about winning elections, don't dismiss them.

Remember: It doesn't matter if you are morally superior or have better policies if you're not in power politically.

I'm in favor of Wu's vaccine mandate, BTW but think she would be smart to also announce an end date which is based on some quantitative measure such as hospital bed utilization. She would get more buy-in if people didn't think it was endless or subjective.

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On the end dates. These restrictions can be temporary, we can relax them when the risk decreases as it did early last summer. Masking isn’t forever, vaccine requirements aren’t forever, we can and will overcome but right now the danger is high and we need to mitigate.

(And you’re a goddamn dummy if you’ve chosen not to be vaccinated, and don’t deserve a taxpayer-funded job if you've chosen not to be vaccinated.)

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How else can you get people to take an action that is necessary to prevent many other people from dying?

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Mandates are great, have helped eradicate many illnesses.

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Unfortunately, we've only completely eradicated two illnesses -- smallpox and rinderpest.

Which supports your point that mandates are good, mandatory vaccination might have enabled us to wipe out measles, and may enable us to get rid of polio. (There are fewer people who claim that polio is no big deal, than claim that about measles.)

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