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So, Clinton, Romney in Mass.
By adamg on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 10:34pm
Hillary carries MA, so DiMasi up, Kennedy, Kerry and Patrick down (but Obama taking Boston).
What's it mean, if anything?
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Well, it seems like the
Well, it seems like the Massachusetts electorate doesn't need to turn to the editorial pages or their elected officials to determine who gets their vote. Good deal.
Agents of influence
The Herald, the Globe, Senators Kennedy and Kerry, and Governor Patrick appear to have quite a following in Illinois.
Parsing the county results
I went looking to see what Massholes (and I count myself among them) decided to vote for the war candidate, Hillary.
City votes (Somerville, Brookline, Boston, etc) went to Obama.
Suburban soccer moms (Franklin, Worcester, Natick, etc) went to Hillary.
Exit polls suggested that Dem women came out to vote almost 3-to-2 compared to Dem men.
At least we split delegates here...if she carried all of the MA delegates, I'd be ill. It's already making my head spin to see the "me woman, vote for woman" popularity-esque results in such an educated state as Mass. I hate the general populace.
Suburban soccer moms?
Have you been to Worcester?
The long reach of Tom Menino
Seth Gitell credits his former boss, Tom Menino, for helping to deliver Massachusetts to Clinton:
Maybe so, but Obama actually won in Boston, 53-44. As Anonymous notes above, Clinton won the state thanks to the far-suburban and exurban vote (except for the Rte. 2 belt from Boston to 495); in addition to Boston, the inner suburbs basically all tilted Obamawards (map). Does Menino have some secret suburban machine we don't know about?
To be fair...
Winning the state may have always been predicated on doing 40% in Boston. The worry may have been that Obama would trounce Clinton in Boston giving him a much better standing statewide. I'm not really seeing the numbers to justify that being a deciding factor in any way (unless they think Menino convinced 150,000 voters to stay home), but given the profiles of their respective voters, you'd have thought Obama would have done better than 53% in Boston.
I say this, by the way, as an Obama voter. Though Edwards was my first choice.
If I hear any more about Hillary gettign the woman vote...
...I swear I'm going to throw-up. If I hear any more women gushing Hillary rhetoric and saying they voted/are going to vote for her, and then have to hear the press drone on and on about it I'm going to scream. It makes me want to scream, "I'm a white woman and I'm too old to be part of the 'youth vote' and I VOTED FOR OBAMA! I was never on the fence, he's the man." I wish these analysts would just shut-up, and maybe people would actually vote what they want and not what they're being brainwashed into doing.
but I voted for Obama because I'm sick of Hillary's supporters. I'm sorry, but the cliquish and spoiled "mean girls", with-us-or-with-teh-enemy crap has got to stop.
I don't like Obama's cozying up to the homophobes, but at least his campaign was telling me why I might want vote for him, rather than insinuating that I was some sort of traitor for evaluating both candidates on their actual merits.
rather than insinuating that
Interesting. Yet, you say you voted for Obama based on your dislike of the Clinton supporters.
Edwards was Choice #1
I downloaded and read all of the position papers, and did google searches on Clinton and Obama when Edwards dropped out.
I actually liked some of Clinton's and most of Obama's policy statements. I prefer Obama's style and felt it gives him a bigger chance of actually accomplishing his objectives.
Clinton's supporters were the final straw. All they could offer was dubious claims of Clinton's superior experience (boardroom yes, political no way, unless you count First Lady years, which I don't) and all of the patronizing and standard-issue entitled authoritarian political machine b.s. that I so totally and completely despise about local politics around here. Why do I want that to be national?
don't like Obama's cozying up to the homophobes
Not sure what you are referring to. Can you please elaborate?
Pam Spaulding at Pam's House Blend and Pandagon has been noting a number of promoters of "ex-gay" nonsense and folks with sketchy credibility among Obama's public supporters. This particular posting rounds up a few of the noted alliance problems, but the roll call is ongoing.
Had Clinton articulated any clear message of tolerance, that might have tipped it for me. As usual, she wanted to be popular and pretend popular was right rather than be right amok popularity.
cliquish / spoiled "mean girls" ???
This isn't high school and we're not voting for prom queen.
Yep, not High School
Exactly. That's why I don't like being told that my vote is owned and not mine to dispense.
(unofficially) are here.
Obama beat Clinton, while McCain beat Romney. Ron Paul got more votes than Mike Huckabee. John Edwards still got a few hundred votes. One withdrawn candidate (Tom Tancredo) got 0 votes, and another (Duncan Hunter) got 1 vote.
Ron Paul took Boylston, MA
What's up with that? What's going on in Boylston?
Boylston, MA no longer a Ron Paul town
The latest figures and map on Boston.com no longer show Ron Paul winning the town of Boylston. They now show him with only 2% of the vote there. Wonder what went wrong with their tabulations.
They still show Salem with Huckabee 49%, McCain 40%, Romney 4%, Paul 1%. No way can that be correct.
Salem has been updated
It now shows Romney 49%, McCain 40%, Huckabee 4% and Paul 4%.
Tomorrow's correction should be interesting to read
assuming that the Globe prints one.
Are these results correct?
The Globe's town-by-town results show Huckabee carrying Salem, and Ron Paul winning Boylston. These results are so anomalous that I have to wonder if they are correct.
God doesn't like witches ... and we know Huckabbubble will take care of all of them when his New America Under God takes hold ...
Seriously, though, looks like Salem has a history of problems with voting machines, on top of the now famous "dubious accounting" in the school system.
How Obama could have won Massachusetts
Gene Koo volunteered for Obama and describes the view from inside the Alamo, i.e., a Massachusetts campaign that, despite all the big-name endorsements, sent most of its workers down to Connecticut.
However, he adds he is also alarmed that the Patrick endorsement meant so little - what happened to all the people who put him into office?
Is we're waiting for him to finish his sentence.
Together we can...
We can what? Tomatoes?
I think the majority of people who voted Deval are waiting for him to do something of note besides buy new drapes and argue for casinos. I'm not certain the thought that Barack might be another Deval is a plus for him.
Yes we can...
The fact that a majority of voters in this state voted for either Clinton or, even more unfathomably, the very man who forced us to buy health insurance we can't afford amongst other idiocies, is likely to remove most of my remaining faith in the human race.
What It Means...
... is that the media told us over and over it was a two-horse race, on both sides, and over 90% of the people who came out voted for one of those two choices, on both sides. Whoop.
(Disclaimer: I voted for Ron Paul, so I am a disgruntled anti-social malcontent with plans to move to Boylston.)
Sort of apropos...my sons returned from Boston Latin School and Academy reporting Obama sweeps in both.
Anybody know where I can see
Anybody know where I can see more detailed results? As in, what my polling place voted for?
Check your local town or city's website
maybe in a day or two, if it's not up there yet.
Did no one who reads Univ. Hub vote Republican?
I'm a lifelong Democrat, but just curious to hear from the Republican voters.
Libertarian, Registered Unenrolled, Who Voted Republican
As noted in various places on the board - this thread, as a matter of fact - I voted for Ron Paul.
Who voted in the Working Family Party (or whatever it's called) primary?
I Would Have
But we had to pick all the kids up from work.
I'm a lifelong Republican, and I voted for McCain, who won neither my precinct nor my town nor the Commonwealth. Oddly, I have never managed to vote for a winning candidate in a Republican presidential preference primary.
Former Edwards supporter who
Former Edwards supporter who volunteered for Hilary after he dropped out. At the end of the day, it came down to a better health plan and her focus on children, who I see most impacted by poverty.
I like Obama, liked his supporters (liked all the supporters). But Deval has been such a disappointment WRT the environment and he seemed like more more vague happy "he's a nice guy" that reminded me of George Bush.
And I was glad to vote for a woman. And so was my mom, sister and daughter.
Globe blames Associated Press for Salem results error
I filled out Boston.com's feedback form, pointing out the likely errors in Boylston's and Salem's Republican results. A few hours later, I got this reply:
"Thank you for writing to Boston.com. Incorrect Salem figures appeared at [long Boston.com URL] earlier due to an Associated Press reporting error, which has been corrected. "
Yeah, I found out a long time ago that most presidential vote totals, abstractions, etc., are taken from AP, rather than gathered by the local media.
When I was chair of the Libertarian Party in MA, I used to always ask the TV, radio, and press outlets to consider reporting more than just the D or R totals, and that was the reply I always got; that they picked up the AP reports and, since the AP never fed them more than the D and R, they didn't have access, blah, blah, blah.
I'm sure it makes some sort of economic sense, but that always stuck in my craw when they'd start bleating about how we (the electorate) should care more and be more participatory.