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MS-13 member gets 40 years for killing 15-year-old in East Boston for a gang promotion
By adamg on Tue, 05/22/2018 - 10:11pm
Julio "Animal" Martinez, 23, was sentenced to 40 years in federal prison today for murdering 15-year-old Irvin De Paz on Trenton Street in East Boston in 2015.
De Paz was one of four teens who were either murdered in East Boston or had their bodies dumped there in 2015 and 2016 as MS-13 members went on a killing spree against supposed members of the rival 18th Street Gang after a gang conclave in Virginia.
In December, Martinez admitted repeatedly stabbing De Paz to win a promotion to "homeboy" or full-fledged MS-13 member. After the murder, he was ceremonially beaten into his new status by other members of the East Local Salvatrucha MS-13 "clique" in a ceremony videoed by federal agents, the US Attorney's office in Boston reports.
He was also taped admitting he killed De Paz:
In recorded conversations between Martinez and a cooperating witness, Martinez acknowledged being a member of MS-13 and admitted that he stabbed the victim to death. Specifically, Martinez said, “I stabbed the asshole three times, and it was a beautiful thing! Just beautiful!”
Martinez, 23, is a Salvadoran national. After his release, he faces deportation to El Salvador, the US Attorney's office reports. He was one of 61 people arrested in raids against Boston-area MS-13 members in 2016. Most have since pleaded or been found guilty of various charges under the federal RICO statute.
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So, US taxpayers are going to
So, US taxpayers are going to pay for this guy to sit in prison (health care, food, cable TV, an education if he wants) for 40 years, then deport him? Why not simply fucking deport him?
I don't want him back in my neighborhood
It galls me as well to have to pay this guy's upkeep for the next several decades. However, if you just send him home, it seems it's pretty likely that he'll be back in town before you can say Boo.
To pre-empt the anonymous trolls
Yes, it is OK call the guy who chose the nom-de-guerre "Animal" by the stupid name he chose for himself.
No, it is not OK to refer to large groups of people as "animals," even when those people are assholes like these MS-13 pieces of work. That would be dehumanizing, and follow the same pattern as the Rwandan government calling the Tutsis 'cockroaches', or the National Socialist government using similar language about German Jews.
It's especially not OK if you're writing a frigging White House press release.
Let's not dehumanize MS-13
Attention everyone. It is ok to call MS-13 assholes, but not animals.
No, it is not OK to refer to large groups of people as "animals"
Agree to disagree.
Also worth noting
All of the raids and the 61 arrests were carried under the previous administration with the extensive help of police in sanctuary cities. Sanctuary status is not to protect criminals, but actually helps ferret them out because residents feel safer talking to the authorities.
Nice alternative facts, there
No press release, just the answer to a comment about MS-13 as part of a roundtable. Off the cuff, not planned in advance or written up.
MS-13 is not a race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or any other kind of intrinsic identity. They are a criminal organization. But I'll try to remember the general rule that no group of people should be degraded when the conversation on this post turns even more political.
Ah yes
In your world, only Catholics are persecuted by pesky rules allowing women to decide on their own health care.
And Barcelona is a better team than Real Madrid
Which is as pertinent a point as you point was.
Missing the point
Starting with the day he rode down that escalator, Trump's main rhetorical tactic on immigration is to suggest that all Latin American immigrants should be suspected of being violent criminals. You can't dissect context because his non-sequitur stream-of-consciousness ramblings make it impossible to extract any context at all.
But his supporters get the point well enough. Commenters on this very blog will chime in on items like this, suggesting that these convicted murderers are DREAMers. See how it works?
I would not debate
Trump's views on immigration, particularly illegal immigration, but in this case his quote was taken out of context, and somehow erik g has turned it into a press release. At this rate, they'll be saying he made it during the State of the Union speech.
People apply the subtext because of all the venom that came before, but in the end, there was a time 4 or 5 years ago where it was a non-partisan thing to call MS-13 members bad things.
fine, it wasn't a press release
Clearly Erik was wrong about that.
But arguing about "context" with this guy's statements is a category error. He does not speak in coherent, parse-able sentences. There's just a mushy-mouthed pile of gibberish into which one could theoretically read any desired context.
So all we can do is apply the subtext of the venom that came before. It's a sucker's game to buy into this bad-faith "aha so you're defending MS-13!?" nonsense.
It's Simple
If you're standing up for the rights of MS-13 members, you are taking the idea of treating everyone fairly and justly WAY TOO FAR.
Some people do not deserve support, protection, and understanding...such as murderous criminals that kill kids who aren't even old enough to drive a car. It's not a Trump thing or a liberal thing or an immigrant thing or a sanctuary thing. Standing up for dangerous people who take pleasure in stabbing a kid to death is just plain wrong. It's okay to accept that some people are bad and deserve punishment.
Nobody's defending MS-13
What people are objecting to is Dear Leader seeming to refer to immigrants as "animals." Yes, if you see the entire context of what he was saying at that moment, he might have just been referring to members of MS-13 as "animals," but then you might want to extend the context to his entire history with minorities - going way back, decades, in fact, before his announcement speech about Mexicans being rapists, and you begin to understand why people might be suspicious he was limiting himself to just members of a particularly violent gang.
And then, should you have some extra time, go back even further for context of how dehumanizing scapegoat groups and your opponents is the first step towards, oh, hell, fascism and dictatorship.
Huh?
He called members of MS-13 animals. He didn't say only those members of MS-13 who immigrated to the US (illegally or legally) were animals, but US residents who joined the gang are not.
He also did not say "mexicans are rapists". He said "mexico isn't sending us their best, they're sending criminals and rapists". It's a foolish and inaccurate statement, but it's also foolish and inaccurate to claim he "called mexicans rapists".
Are you a barber by trade?
Doing a great job splitting hairs here.
Yeah you're defending MS-13
if you're piling on the guy who's in a position of authority to do something about them and says so.
I don't accuse you of doing it intentionally though, since it's clear you're not aware you're doing it. You're just doing it by instinct. Like that time you tried to convince me they were all comin' for the Jews because Trump was elected.
You are so wrong
I think we all know Adam’ opinion on Trump, but that hasn’t blinded him to the evil that is MS-13. He’s done a great job reporting on these numerous cases, much better than other media outlets locally. He’s been even handed, even when certain media outlets have decided that since Trump hates MS-13, they will show that the gang is not as bad as Trump makes them out to be.
You are a teacher?
I'm finding that hard to believe.
Go teach yourself some history and statistics.
They're only killing the
They're only killing the people that Americans don't want to kill....