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Fashion tip for white supremacists: In dowdy Boston, leave the steel-plated camo body armor at home - oh, and the loaded guns, too

A Suffolk Superior Court ruled yesterday Boston Police did nothing wrong when they ordered an upstate New Yorker in town for some hating on the left last August to surrender his body armor and helmet - and then arrested him when they found a loaded semi-automatic gun hidden in the armor.

The ruling by Judge Diane Freniere means Suffolk County prosecutors can use the loaded gun as evidence against Nathan Mizrahi, 40, of Norwich, NY when he comes to trial on charges of illegal possession of a firearm, illegal possession of ammunition and illegally carrying a loaded firearm in public. Mizrahi had a New York license for the weapon and ammunition, but New York licenses are not valid in Massachusetts.

At a hearing in June, BPD Capt. John Danilecki testified that when he spotted Mizrahi and a pal on the morning of Aug. 19 walking towards the Parkman Bandstand, where rightists were planning to rally, the two were being swarmed by counter-protesters, screaming "fuck Trump" at them. Both were dressed, Danilecki said, in "US Army fatigues, a steel-plated tactical vest/body armor and military helmet."

Concerned for their safety, Danilecki said he ordered some of their men to surround the pair, and push the counter-protesters back. Danilecki said he asked them if they were heading for the bandstand. Mizrahi, whom Danilecki recalled as "calm and well-behaved," said he was, at which point Danilecki said he could only go if he surrendered his body armor and helmet.

Mizrahi objected, Danilecki stood his ground. The New Yorker relented, after a fashion - he refused to take the armor and helmet off himself, but let Danilecki do it for him. Danilecki told him he could pick them up at the District A-1 station after the rally.

Danilecki handed the armor, which weighed 15 to 20 pounds, off to an officer, who brought it to A-1, where another officer conducted an "inventory" of the armor - routine so that police can guard against allegations they stole something. That officer then "found a loaded firearm in an inside front compartment of the vest under a velcro flap," according to the judge's recounting of the facts. When Mizrahi showed up after the rally to claim his property, police asked him for a license to carry a firearm; when he showed his New York license, he was arrested and charged with the firearms violations.

Freniere said the conditions that day warranted the police actions and that the way police came to realize there was a gun in Mizrahi's vest was reasonable and not a violation of his constitutional rights.

She said Mizrahi knew, or should have known, that police would not let him approach the bandstand carrying items that could be used as weapons because BPD had an intensive "publicity campaign" in the days leading up to the rally - just a week after a fascist used a car to kill a woman in Charlottesville, VA - warning people not to bring items that could be used as weapons, that there would be a heavy police presence and that any potentialy dangerous items could be seized. She continued that by the time Mizrahi arrived, there was also a heavy police presence on the Common - cops in yellow vests swarmed the area, the bandstand was surrounded by metal barriers and "walk-through metal detectors and hand-wand screeners were visible" at the two entryways police had set up for the bandstand.

Finally, Mizrahi got a very direct and person notice from Danilecki that if he wanted to go to the bandstand, he'd have to surrender his armor and helmet, the judge wrote:

Mizrahi made the choice to enter the secured space with the full knowledge that a consequence of that decision was that he would have to turn over his tactial vest and helmet to police and that it would be taken to a police station for safeguarding. Thereby, he consented to the search of those items.

Mizrahi's attorney argued that the seizure of his armor was still unreasonable because Mizrahi was not at one of the entryways to the bandstand, but still in an unsecured part of the Common. The judge rejected that argument:

Although the defendant was not in line to enter the secured rally space, he was on the Boston Common in an area where protesters and counter protesters were gathering and in the close vicinity of the entrance. Mizrahi's choice of clothing - full military camouflaged fatigues, military grade body armor vest and military helmet - gained the attention of the large crowd of rowdy counter protesters, creating an unsafe situation for both Mizrahi and his companions and the Boston Police. It was necessary and appropriate for the police to take steps to determine his intentions and to secure his safe passage to the secured rally area once Mizrahi made his destination known. Said another way, once Mizrahi made it clear to the police that he intended to go into the secured rally area, given that his dress had incited the counter protesters, for safety reasons, he moved to the head of the security checkpoint line.

Freniere also wrote she was crediting the testimony of Danilecki and two officers over the testimony of two of Mizrahi's acquaintances, partly because of the officers' experience and partly because the two acquaintances testified "there were not many counter-protesters in their vicinity immediately before the police approached Mizrahi and another man in their party" (photo of some counter-protesters).

A trial date has not yet been set, according to the Suffolk County District Attorney's office, which says his next scheduled court date is Sept. 5.

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It takes a special kind of stupid for a nazi to bring a gun into a state that basically has the same gun laws as Nazi Germany. You think he would know better than anybody!

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What kind of stupid is needed to not realize the pretty large distinctions between the gun laws of Nazi Germany vs Massachusetts? For an obvious place to start, we're not restricting gun ownership based on ethnicity here. You may want to look at the rest - before you make any more fallacious comparisons.

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Actually the gun laws in Massachusetts are racist. If you knew anything about history you would know all major gun control acts were designed to keep guns from African American. From freed slaves to black panthers.

Massachusetts laws are based in racism. The very onerous process and restrictive “approved list” means the people most at risk of violence can’t protect themselves. Just like Nazi Germany.

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In the fifties, the NRA had black chapters in the south. Things being as they were, ya, they were segregated, but the NRA supported the chapters. They went a long way to an armed civilian populace capable of defending itself.

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBPrintItem.asp?ID=2960

"It was common practice for convoys of Ku Klux Klan members to drive through black neighborhoods shooting in all directions. A black physician who owned a nice brick house on a main road was a frequent target of racist anger. In the summer of 1957, a Klan motorcade sent to attack the house was met by a disciplined volley of rifle fire from a group of black veterans and NRA members led by civil rights activist Robert F. Williams...
...Williams, a former Marine who volunteered to lead the Monroe chapter of the NAACP and founded a 60-member, NRA-chartered rifle club, described the battle in his 1962 book, "Negroes With Guns," which was reprinted in 1998 by Wayne State University Press."

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Mizrahi Name Meaning
Jewish (Ashkenazic and Sephardic):
from Hebrew mizrachi ‘easterner’, ‘man from the East’.

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he appears to have Hebrew (his name, I believe) tatooed on his hand. How many Nazis do you know with Hebrew tatooed on them, man?

IMAGE(https://i.imgur.com/o4Rtzio.jpg)

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The Nazis did have help from complicit Jews. Look it up.

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Here's the problem. You bullshit artists keep calling anyone that voted for Trump a Nazi. I made the comment here last year that, by your twisted logic, there must be 1.3 million 'actual Nazis' in Massachusetts.
No...just no. Not all Trump voters are Nazis. Not all Trump supporters are racists.
This was here last week, I posted it the other day: IMAGE(https://i.imgur.com/9KZrgKx.png)

So, swastika with the 'no' lined circle (does that have a shorter name?) through it.

Here's a Trump supporter from last summer:
IMAGE(https://i.imgur.com/yZHeNQ2.jpg)

HE ISS A CHOO!! You know how you can tell? He's wearing the flag of Israel. Kid's got balls marching in that hateful crowd, surrounded by screaming, tolerant liberals. Oh, before you start questioning the cape/flag, there are other pictures from the back.

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Aren't you just precious.

Don't bother with actual content - just show pictures! And out of context stuff that you say is one thing but who knows?

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The pictures are content. The context and relevancy is obvious. Ya, I say it's one thing because it is. There was quite a bit of content there, but not for you.

For you?

Da ba dee da ba daa, da ba dee da ba daa, da ba dee da ba daa
Da ba dee da ba daa, da ba dee da ba daa, da ba dee da ba daa

(then some random capitalized DERP to finish it off.)

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He identifies as a white supremacist.

Are you saying this guy ain't white?

Nice try.

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He identifies as a white supremacist.

I looked around a bit trying to find any evidence of this; could you link me to what you found to support that?

Are you saying this guy ain't white?

Yes, according to white supremacists. If you find someone you think is a white supremacist who thinks Jews are white, you've made an incorrect identification there buddy. Did you know that actual white supremacists hate the Jewish people so much that many preferred Obama to McCain in 2008 because they believe Jews control the government, and at least Obama wasn't a Jew?

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some fascists place anti-jewish hatred at the center but much more common in this country is anti-blackness, islamophobia, and hatred of immigrants. Many fascists, even those who hate jews, also (rightly) see israel as a state that follows their basic principles and some explicitly talk about a white or christian israel. There are Jewish fascists, there are even a couple black fascists, identity is not the same as politics. This guy is fascist scum, that is all.

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...that are so wise in the ways of the extreme right? Are you a student of the haters? Have you studied with them and burned the sacred crosses?
Please enlighten us on this whole 'christian israel' you mention.

"This guy is fascist scum, that is all."

A judgement you are absolutely not qualified to make.
You and your insane opinions are a good reason to consider the relevance of anon opinions here.

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Operative word: study

Goes with words like facts, knowledge, surveillance, statistics, information, expertise, reality.

Does not go with words like What I Believe Is True Is All I Need To Know

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Please enlighten us on this whole 'christian israel' you mention.

You could have found out by googling...but as usual, you're a disingenuous dog-whistler and not in the least interested in the truth.

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I think that contributes to why so many hold fascistic beliefs. As michel aprenti said:

"Unless one was Jewish, or poor and unemployed, or actively leftist or otherwise openly anti-Nazi, Germany from 1933 until well into the war was not a nightmarish place. All the "good Germans" had to do was obey the law, pay their taxes, give their sons to the army, avoid any sign of political heterodoxy, and look the other way when unions were busted and troublesome people disappeared.

"Since many "middle Americans" already obey the law, pay their taxes, give their sons to the army, are themselves distrustful of political heterodoxy, and applaud when unions are broken and troublesome people are disposed of, they probably could live without too much personal torment in a fascist state..."

It's a pretty sensible thing if you oppose fascism to understand the way it operates. one part of that is thirdwayism or utilizing post ideological framings that use leftist sounding rhetoric to mask reaction. If you have any interest in opposing fascism, as every decent human should, you would also want to understand it.

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Weird to think that a guy who would come to this rally might not have all his marbles lined up correctly

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and you've got an Asatru name despite spouting a bunch of bullshit whattaboutism fakey distraction pseudo-racism. funny how people can have names that have nothing to do with what they actually believe.

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...or from the Halo video game series, or a top-grossing Disney movie franchise. You're seeing Nazis everywhere man, maybe some Chlorpromazine can help with that.

I'm assuming you'd roll your eyes at someone trying to claim a dude's swastika tattoo may not represent his values. I'm eye-rolling just as hard as "the Jew with the Hebrew tattoo (note to self, great parody movie title) could still be a white supremacist".

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see his other hand? It has the threepers logo, a reactionary militia group.

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Did some googling, and much like this guy it seems like some revolutionary war nerd libertarians in fantasy-land, not fascists.

For what it's worth, our state quarter also has a reference to "a reactionary militia".

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As much as I appreciate my fellow landsmen, let's not be naive and not pretend some of them can be pretty horrible people. Take Stephen Miller (please!). Or Dan Burros.

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Do I rate as human, animal, vegtable, or mineral? Or is that too many categories in a world where there are only Nazis and progressives?

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Pathetic human.

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...go ad hominem.

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You're chopped liver.
:-)

Cultural Reference

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What makes this guy a "horrible person", exactly? Being legally licensed to carry a gun, but never brandishing it or threatening anyone?

Everyone in Boston that week was sanctimoniously cosplaying "what I would have done if I were in Charleston last week", like how Marky Mark would have stopped 9/11 if only he had been on that plane. But the actual white nationalists that showed up to the rally there were not the same people who came here. You know this as well as I do. This is the actual group of people on the bandstand that day, we're not talking about Richard Spencer here, it was a mutli-ethnic group with very, uh, off-brand messaging for Nazis:

IMAGE(https://i.imgur.com/8D6SrcJ.jpg)

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1) there are direct ties between the groups that organized that event and fascist groups including the openly neo nazi American Guard and Patriot Front.

2) This was immediately after charlottesville they were trying to redeem the image of reaction after it took a huge hit in public opinion. This is exactly the role of the alt-light make fascism palatable, and open the door for the actual nazis.

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Everyone in that picture is either racist, crazy, or both racist and crazy. And the posters they are holding are racist, crazy, or both racist and crazy.

And the person who had the gun was not licensed to carry in Massachusetts, so not legal.

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He might have assumed reciprocity. So, not as crazy as it sounds because he is properly licensed in New York, which is hardly Vermont (not much in the way of gun laws up there).

All racist and crazy? Well, this was Nashville a couple of weeks ago. Your worst nightmare:

IMAGE(https://i.imgur.com/AlwvqkT.jpg)

"Everyone in that picture is either racist, crazy, or both racist and crazy. And the posters they are holding are racist, crazy, or both racist and crazy."

Maybe it's just you...

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IMAGE(http://www.leeabbamonte.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/IMG_4380-1024x768.jpg)

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Mizrahi's choice of clothing - full military camouflaged fatigues, military grade body armor vest and military helmet - gained the attention of the large crowd of rowdy counter protesters, creating an unsafe situation for both Mizrahi and his companions and the Boston Police

If you make the similar statement about a young woman standing through a rowdy crowd while wearing sexy clothing, you get accused of victim-blaming.

I understand the case for seizing the illegal (or undocumented?) gun, but not for charging him with possessing it, considering the involuntary search.

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If you make the similar statement about a young woman standing through a rowdy crowd while wearing sexy clothing, you get accused of victim-blaming.

I've written and rewritten a response to this two or three times, but on reflection it's not worth my time. This is a dumb analogy and you're dumb for using it. When attending a rally with your idiot white-supremacist friends, which you know is going to be heavily counterprotested, maybe it's not a great idea to make a wardrobe choice that loudly proclaims "I'm with the nazis."

I understand the case for seizing the illegal (or undocumented?) gun, but not for charging him with possessing it, considering the involuntary search.

RTFA. Maybe if you want to carry your gun somewhere new, you should look up the laws where you want to bring it. That way you won't get charged with gun crimes when you don't have the proper licensure to carry your instrument of death.

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rally loudly proclaims "I'm looking for a fight".

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Your argument would have some merit if it weren't for the following:

Mizrahi made the choice to enter the secured space with the full knowledge that a consequence of that decision was that he would have to turn over his tactial vest and helmet to police and that it would be taken to a police station for safeguarding. Thereby, he consented to the search of those items.

He willingly agreed to give up his body armor after being informed by the police that he would have to in order to enter the protest area.

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Much as I loathe this guy's intentions, I don't really buy the police's "you voluntarily agreed to be searched as a condition of entering this area" argument.

That's how we're losing our constitutional right to freedom from search and seizure when doing things like riding a public subway or bus. Or entering a busy public outdoor space. And of course you have no rights when you're in a car.

So, like the Yakov Smirnoff joke (In Russia, we have Russian Express Card: "Don't Leave Home!"), it's getting very hard to take your rights with you when you leave the house.

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The dress code said no tactical gear in the special free stupidity area.

He wanted to go into the area.

They told him to follow the dress code. The gun was discovered.

Not the same in any way.

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...this legal advice was brought to you by the same person that believes that bail is based solely on 'likelihood to flee'.

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Just because you don't like the facts doesn't mean they aren't facts.

Bail is based on likelihood of fleeing - and it is revoked with murder charges because that carries a high likelihood of fleeing.

There is a detail that makes if a little more complicated: a dangerousness hearing.

Bail is, however, fundamentally based on likelihood of a defendant fleeing.

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Hey suzie Q...

"There is a detail that makes if a little more complicated: a dangerousness hearing. Bail is, however, fundamentally based on likelihood of a defendant fleeing."

In other words, my statement containing the word 'solely' is entirely correct.

"...New York State from ensuring the return of the accused to preventative detention. "
https://www.shalleyandmurray.com/defenseposts/2016/1/28/j2zrjo3fz6pl5xb3...

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You had a golden opportunity to make a "FASC-ion tip" pun in your headline, and you dropped the ball.

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There are perhaps 100 "Nazi-like" lunks lurking about and occasionally a couple of dozen gather somewhere to protest or be protested to make them feel good

On the other hand there are thousands of George Soros funded and essentially full-time employed as: anti-G-20: Antifa; Occupy ICE [Portland], formerly Occupy Wall Street; and hundreds of front group names over the past couple of decades

If you are honest with your own mind -- the real threat to the West's Civil Society [and other Western-style i.e. "Liberal Democratic Free Market Economic States"] is from:

  1. Inside -- the Soros-powered Left [the old Communists] and their ignorant fellow travelers and just totally sincere Useful Idiots
  2. Jihadists -- Stateless, Iranian and other Islamic State funded -- "We just hate everything you stand for" -- "your western lives are the anathema to the Global Caliphate"
  3. External State -- China with lesser threats from North Korea and Iran
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Only 100 Nazis left in the country? That's great! And yet, they found the ability to congregate in one Virginia city and beat one man and kill one woman.

You're absolutely right about Soros, of course, but then, I'm feeling kind of disillusioned with him right now because I haven't gotten my check yet. George, if you're reading this - and I know you are, because you are omniscient and omnipresent - I could really use that check.

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Soros just venmoed me two bucks to say you're nuttier than a five-pound fruitcake.

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All the cool kids get their Soros payments in bitcoin.

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(n/t)

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Here's the Q:

https://qanon.app/

Here's a recent post. They are really digging...https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/98yduw/connnecting_some...

Go there. Interesting. Believable? I dunno.

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On the other hand there are thousands of George Soros funded and essentially full-time employed as: anti-G-20: Antifa; Occupy ICE [Portland], formerly Occupy Wall Street; and hundreds of front group names over the past couple of decades

You have just conclusively demonstrated that you are completely without an anchor in reality. Mom always said don't argue with crazy people, so from now on I'm going to simply leave you to fry in your own rancid hateful fat.

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The defendant is a moron for bringing a gun to a state where he is unlicensed (some states allow it, maybe he didn't know MA law) but this is clearly "fruits of the poisonous tree" and an illegal seizure. It will be dismissed if we have a fair SJC but definitely by SCOTUS if it gets there.

Police have no right to stop and seize anyone anywhere for their clothing or attire and especially no right to take their clothing. Many agitators wearing "Fuck the Police" t-shirts these days, Mickey Mouse t-shirts with Mickey's middle finger extended saying "Hey Iran" during the 1980 hostage crisis when Democrat Congressman Steve Lynch attacked the Iranian in Boston. Nothing the police could do on the clothing.

No prohibition on military gear (Army/Navy stores in every town and internet) no prohibition on bullet resistant vest (no such thing as bullet proof) and no restriction on helmet. Many special needs and bicyclists wear them.

No issues with Captain Danilecki and congratulate him on attaining BPD's highest Civil Service test rank (non-political, earned by lots of studying) but wouldn't want Dershowitz or Silverglate to jump in on behalf of the defendant. No right to seize clothing unless arrest made, clothing was seized before arrest here. I would be uncomfortable, especially given Mayor Walsh's comments (orders?) against the "white" group before the rally.

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Would you call it an "illegal search" if the person in question was black and walking down the street?

Of course not - you'd be lauding the "great policework".

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It definitely makes everyone on here - especially those who attended the rally - feel great thinking they battled nazis and white supremacists that day. But at most it was a collection of buffoons who went to the protected zone and are guilty of being shit stirrers but no one has ever been able to show evidence that they were a collection of white suoremacists. They were also outnumbered by a huge margin - obviously a good thing if you count the bigger crowd as having the intention of rallying against a hate group. But in the end, the crowd that assaukted police and threw bottles of piss in to the crowds wereon the other side. And yes I was there and witnessed both groups first hand. But keep telling everyone you are a nazi fighter if it makes you feel better about yourself.

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...it looks like a Shiva political rally.

That, like all speech (barring certain defined limitations) is quite protected.

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Adam keeps calling them Nazis to get clicks and eyeballs or because he's being compensated for stirring the pot himself. There is the off chance that he actually believes it, but given all the evidence to the contrary it's BuzzFeed and James Damore and Ben Rhodes and Iran writ small: see X but call it Y until enough people who peruse the news only casually see it enoigh places to believe it.

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I'm sure he's on the Soros payroll, too.

Of course the utter lack of the word "Nazi" in Adam's initial post - he uses "white supremacist" - is lost on you. I guess it means that Adam had the Soros Academy Blogger Training, which emphasizes subtlety in such matters.

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Or he gets a penny per eyeball on the big giant Amazon ad between the story and the comments.

Nah, can't be that. Must be the gay frogs.

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Actually, while the word 'Nazi' was thrown around freely last year, I do see the lack of 'Nazi' in the AG description of the basic story. Maybe he understood the guy's name (which I kind of figured as vaguely Iranian) and understood the implications, that he was actually Jewish and that kind of harshes the narrative.

But the pic...the name sends a message:

https://www.universalhub.com/images/2017/nazis-crowdlarge.jpg

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If you think he cannot be fascist because he is indian you ignore what is quite literally the largest fascist movement in the world, Hindutva.

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Is Shiva Ayyadurai a member of the Hindutva movement as you're insinuating, or are you just implying that he COULD BE A SECRET HINDU NAZI?

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Nobody gets props from their friends for describing going out to a rally of 10 people and trying to instigate fights with a group of free-speech dweebs, hippies, and Jewish- or Asian-Americans. If you tried to brag about slugging one, you're likely to get some negative reactions. But if you pretend they're white supremacists......

Similarly, if this article was posted as "New Yorker in legal trouble for not realizing an out-of-state licence wasn't valid for regulated material during his weekend visit", it wouldn't have satisfied the primal itch that political tribalism can bring out of us.

Dehumanizing regular people by applying politically-expedient "hate labels" to them is something that Nazis would do.

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Every denial you post paints you as a complete nutter with a strong detachment from reality.

And a compulsive one at that.

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A passionate appeal to reason, moderation, and logic is absolutely detached from the reality of the present situation where Jews are Nazis, Desi people holding "Black Lives Do Matter" signs are White Supremacists, and people on the Common doing nothing but being dressed in the kind of stuff you can buy a block away at Kenmore Army & Navy are dangerous militiamen who have ceded all their constitutional rights to the local police.

I'm a Jewish-American (non-practicing, but who is nowadays) Democrat (not that I'm super thrilled with the job they're doing, but who is nowadays) from Boston who is not a fan of Trump and didn't vote for him. The one condition I said I'd vote for him in 2020 was if he actually expanded access to healthcare like he was bloviating about on the campaign trail, but that seems even less likely to happen now than then. But my personal dislike of Trump and all he stands for aside, it's not even clear to me that anyone in Boston that day were Trump supporters, much less white supremacists, Nazis, or racist ideologues. Weirdos, sure, but I've certainly seen worse weirdos than guys who run around in the woods with their 12 buddies "training" for the day they make their own country. Sounds a bit like paintball, come to think of it.

The kind of rhetoric you're engaging in is escalating a social crisis under a ruleset that you should be terrified about being governed under. Using "their" toolkit won't work for "us", because "they" are at home with them, while "we're" clumsy with it. Opening the door to violent mobs attacking people based on moral superiority is something the Right is far more comfortable with than the Left, so if we challenge them to that contest it's not gonna be great for us. There weren't substantial numbers of young (!), well-off (!) white men with torches uniting under a racial-identity-based-banner or running down people with cars in the 1990s. That's new identity politics at work, weaponized in the other direction. And if we keep trying to race them in a hole-digging contest, we're all gonna be worse off.

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Leave your gun at the range. Or at home.

Not here.

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