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Ah, BU: Men found at Ashford Street frat house duct taped together, clad only in underwear, covered in condiments
By adamg on Mon, 04/09/2012 - 7:31pm
Channel 5 reports the apparent pledges at a non-sanctioned BU frat at 24 Ashford St. were also coated in flour when police found them in the basement early today and that frat members could face criminal charges.
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Can you believe
Can you believe this type of behavior goes on in 2012?
Living down the street from
Living down the street from this house, yes, yes i can believe that they were doing this.
Earring Tim did it.
I can't believe
that the Mayor is appalled by this type of behavior.
I went to a school that
I went to a school that didn't have any greek life, so pardon my ignorance, but why do people even bother trying to join frats if they know they're going to be hazed? Wasn't it Groucho Marx that said "I don't want to belong to a club that would have people like me as a member?" It's sort of the opposite here, why would you want to join any club where you have to go through things like this to join? Especially on a street like Ashford where the entire school/neighborhood winds up at the parties anyways, and especially at a frat that's already been disowned by BU...did they really have a reasonable expectation that they wouldn't be hazed?
Julie, seriously - they WANT
Julie, seriously - they WANT to be taped together in their underwear!
that's exactly why they joined the fraternity
Yeah, I don't get the big
Yeah, I don't get the big deal. If this happens at Ramrod or Machine or wherever the kids go nowadays, it's called "bondage night." If it happens in a dive house in Brighton with Dave Matthews on the stereo, it's suddenly hazing.
I don't see it. What makes it hazing? The DMB?
At the end of the night, it still boils down to a bunch of mostly naked dudes bound up, under the influence, with other people throwing stuff ("stuff") on them. Why the outcry?
Do college students actually listen to Dave Matthews? Or use a "stereo"?
I suspect that was intended
I suspect that was intended to be a part of the hazing .
Greek Life at BU was muzzled
Greek Life at BU was muzzled for a long time -- I think Silber kicked them off campus early in his tenure. When I was there in the late 80s and early 90s it was not at all a mainstream part of campus life -- undergraduate membership was in the low single digits. This was partially because the frats had a sort of nomadic existence as they migrated from apartment to apartment off-campus (although one or two may have had a "house") and partially because they had a bad rep.
I see it's up to 11% now, and the frats seem to be very active in their community service activities, which might explain the better tolerance -- they even have their own BU web page:
Why join an organization
Why join an organization which would do that to you?
Why does any 'institution of higher learning' have these types of juvenile organizations?
Did you actually read the
Did you actually read the sentence that said NON-SANCTIONED? That means BU does not acknowledge them as a frat.
BU knows exactly what is
BU knows exactly what is going on and is avoiding dealing with the problem by designating that frat as "non-sanctioned".
Ever heard of freedom of association? BU can't control what groups their students decide to join. The United States Supreme Court held in NAACP v. Alabama that the freedom of association is an essential part of the Freedom of Speech. The right to freedom of association has been included in a number of national constitutions and human rights instruments, including the United States Bill of Rights, European Convention on Human Rights and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Yes, but, BU can and will punish...
From today's Huff Post College:
"That may not prevent all charges, however. Boston police told WCVB-TV that the five were terrified, and one shook his head, saying he wasn’t alright when officers asked. They added charges could be filed against several fraternity members.
Boston University spokesperson Colin Riley told the Boston Globe that the unofficial fraternity is likely to face official actions from the university and appear before its judicial board that considers violations of the university’s code of conduct."
“Just because it happened off campus, it doesn’t mean they’ll go unpunished,’’ Riley said. “There are alleged victims here who we care about, and hazing is illegal here in Massachusetts.’’
bring out the gimp
Zed: Bring out the Gimp.
Maynard: But the Gimp’s sleeping.
Zed: Well, I guess you’re gonna have to go wake him up now, won’t you?
any truth to the rumor that this is how bu is punishing its sexually offending hockey players?
Hazing laws are older than these brothers
So of course they don't seem to have heard of them.
Or they are just doing what their daddies told them went on in their day.
now to deal with the hazers
now to deal with the hazers over at military boot camps, we can have bake offs instead
You know this because?
(yes, I've been to boot camp. And, yes, while that was 28 years ago, my nephew also works as a medic during boot camp. Boot camp is intense and tough - but hazing is a different than simply getting yelled at for not moving your arse or sorting out conflicting directions under stress.)
It's not THAT hard to understand...
I mean, I thought it was idiotic when I was in college, but still...
Take one part adolescent brain, which doesn't finish forming and growing until sometime between age 21 and 24 (particularly in men), and knowing that the parts of the brain that process risk-assessment and understand consequences for behaviors is one of the last parts to form
add one part excessive alcohol use (which inhibits both decision making and brain development)
add one part likely pot use (which inhibits brain development)
add one part mob mentality
add one part sleep deprivation
All of which are all but inherent in American college students, and voila--joining a frat and enduring hazing almost makes more sense than not.
That said, what I really could never understand were the dues...even the dumbest of college kids should know there's a better use for their (or their parents') money. Like food.
It's paying for "friends"...
Not that "friends" would do something like this.
My frat was "IATATHIGH" Could
My frat was "IATATHIGH" Could you imagine being covered in condoms?
I hope they werent used ones!!!
It's funny! You people sound like old ladies.
What they did to those pledges isn't bothering anybody (the loud party is a separate issue) so who cares? It's not like this was forced on the pledges - if they didn't like it they could quit at any time. They chose to join a fraternity that they knew hazed, and that is a choice that I think young men have the right to make for themselves. Clearly most of the commentors on here would not make the same choice, but that is their right as well.
I firmly believe that a harsh hazing process is necessary to build the strong bonds that these fraternities seek to instill among their members. But either way, I consider the hazing that I underwent nearly a decade ago as a college student as a positive influence on my life (although we were never duct taped together in underwear).
Cool story, brah.
Wanna drink some Natty and play around with some duct tape? Brah?
Back up a sec
Why were the cops in the basement to find this?
The cops should have cut the
The cops should have cut the fellas loose and had a right old laugh about it back at the station. Charges! Seriously?
Please let's not pile on BU
As an alum, yes BU has been in the news for all the wrong reasons lately, but these things are cyclical. When I was in school, it was BC getting the headlines for bad student behavior...my favorite was students pissing and vomiting in people's front yards in AB and Brookline, and vandalizing cars after all of the football games, and somehow they never got caught or reprimanded, never mind arrested. Does that still happen? Sure, and it probably will again. All of these current (alleged) crimes certainly deserve whatever punishment is coming, legal or otherwise, but let's please stop acting as if this kind of thing is confined to BU.
No need to pile on - the digging continues unabated
I am not going to pile on because BU students (the same people who are paying all kinds of money to have a diploma from an institution with a good reputation - one which they are sullying more and more by the moment) are doing enough damage to themselves. If I were an alumnus or sat on the board, I'd be pretty pissed though.
I'm just happy that the Allston flamer didn't decide to strike this building whilst these guys were bound up.
I graduted from BU several
I graduted from BU several years ago. I don't care at all what some BU kids do... the actions of a few drunk kids do not reflect anything about the school they attend. There was an unbelievable number of students who would condone and willingly participate in this kind of behavior at BU... and at the school I transferred from. And at Northeastern, Wentworth, BC, Umass, Suffolk, Emerson, MIT, and every other school in Boston. Even Simmons, despite the fact that males are the only ones who cause trouble when they're overly inebriated (right? Sorority sisters don't haze during rush).
What do people really expect BU to do to curb this kind of behavior? Screen all hockey players for indications of sexual deviancy? Increase their already beyond-ridiculous police presence in Allston and down Comm Ave? Force all students to live in their 1,500 / mo housing and install security cameras in every dorm room?
BU students aren't doing things any differently than at any other school. Yes there seems to be a higher-than-normal ratio of insanely rich, over-entitled students there... but there are also over 30,000 students (if I recall correctly). The only people who have an effect on BU's reputation as a university are people like you who base their opinions on news articles. Just because you read about BU in the paper doesn't mean it is the only student body in Boston facing these issues. You're the type of person who thinks every country in the middle east is a poor, backwards terrorist haven rife with violence and hate toward women. Because there are so many headlines about explosions and political uprisings there! The Arabs are really sullying their reputation... and don't get me started on those Chinese! I saw one of them sold his kidney for an ipad on the internet, those Chinese are really crazy!
BU Campus Surrounding Area Safety
It's well-known that fraternity activity and college drinking and drugs in the BU Campus surrounding area lead to illegal activity, street fights, loud parties, sexual assault, property damage and arrests.
Arrested was Anthony Jannetti, 21, William Taylor, 19, and Devin Merritt, 20, all of York, Maine. All three are charged with Destruction or Injury of Personal Property:
Female Sexually Assaulted:
Burglary, Breaking and Entering Rear Entrance Police Case File 140021735:
One Death and 15 Injuries:
Alcohol Related Arrest
Accidental Fire or Arson at Three Separate Locations Along Ashford Street
Party Central Honorable Mention for Beer Pong at Ashford Street
The list of reported and unreported crimes and vandalism and broken bottles and litter are a magnet for activity that drives the real estate value down and attracts more of the filthy element to the BU Campus.