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Of course: Developers want to replace South Boston sports bar with condos
By adamg on Wed, 01/14/2015 - 10:53am
Developers Kris Meola and Ryan Sillery of City Point Capital plan to buy the shuttered Stadium Sports Bar & Grill at 232 Old Colony Ave. so they can tear it down and replace it with roughly 20 condominiums.
Meola and his attorney, Carolyn Conway, appeared before the Boston Licensing Board today to seek permission to include the old bar's liquor license in the property sale - so that they can then use it to entice somebody to open a first-floor restaurant in the new building. Failing that, they'd sell the license off, Conway said.
Conway told the board planning for the residential project is in its earliest stages - the developers met with BRA planners for the first time last week and have yet to hold community meetings at which to discuss the proposal. Conway said the BRA wants the first floor of the building reserved for retail, preferably a restaurant.
This could be City Point Capital's second bar-to-residential project in South Boston: It's currently seeking BRA permission to replace the Cornerstone on West Broadway with a residential building - also with space for a restaurant.
The licensing board votes tomorrow on whether to approve the transfer of the Stadium liquor license.
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Jesus, Mary and Joseph!
when will this madness cease?
Houses! For people to live in
Houses! For people to live in! Madness!
No loss for the neighborhood.
Meh food, meh service, and the place attracted knuckleheads like moths to a flame.
My thoughts exactly..
...good riddance!
Would love to see another high end restaurant.
- The Original SoBo Yuppie
High end restaurant?
At the corner of Old Colony Ave and Dorchester Street? Welp, I guess stranger things have happened.
it had buck hunter
but that was the only thing going for it
Before we get too teary eyed....
This building is one of the last legacies of a 1930's bootlegging crew and countless other knuckleheads, plus the site of one of the last little bits of the South Boston Omerta Idiocy that seems to have finally gone away:
http://www.suffolkdistrictattorney.com/barroom-killer-admits-guilt-after...
If you think that tearing this place down is a big deal, just remember that one company now owns the former Adams Transmission, Winthrop Printing, Crown Uniform, and other parcels (but not Drive In Paint) across the street from this place. The development will make this place look like an 7th grade dance versus a Berlin 2 day outdoor disco party.
Do tell...
Have you heard any specifics about what they actually plan to put there?
No, Not Yet
The company which bought it usually holds for a while and lets things settle. Same thing at 501 Dot. Different company, but that is going to be big as well.
Do these people not realize
Do these people not realize that they are ruining South Boston. It's truly a shame what's happening to the neighborhood and there are going to be no more families in 20 years except for the ones in the projects with all these condos.
huh?
There are two nice yuppie families on my street alone.
They don't count
They haven't been to enough wakes.
Huh? Yeah, right. Only until
Huh? Yeah, right. Only until the kids are out of pre-school and they move to the burbs. Lots of families still in South Boston. You should worry more about all the frat boys who outnumber you than the original families from South Boston. You have a very narrow view of Southie people. I pity you.
Maybe in 2003..
..but not anymore. Those yuppies are sending their kids to catholic schools, boston public schools or private schools. I have a friend who teaches at a local elementary school in SoBo.
I am with you on the frat boys. We should all make sure South Boston doesn't turn into Allston/Brighton. but I think between the higher end yuppies and long time residents we outnumber the frat boys drastically.
Ya but
Ya but I guarantee they won't raise their kids there, they'll move to a suburb eventually
This is what I and others were told
When I moved to Medford sixteen years ago, this was the refrain. It was all "well, you'll just move when your kids start school".
Didn't happen
Then it was "when your kids start middle school ...".
Very few people we know who moved in when we did or several years later ended up moving as we were "supposed" to. Needless to say, there was a massive flip in the School Committee some years ago, and all the old timers were pissed off and shocked because we were all supposed to move away or not vote or something.
In other words, you only HOPE people move out when their kids reach school age, so they don't start changing things. That isn't the same as, you know, people actually leaving.
That's good for Medford
I've lived in Southie for 30 years. I can't tell you how many new neighbors I've had over the last 20 years. Lots of them were nice people, sure, but they did in fact move once the kids reached school age.
Probably used to happen
Where I was, it probably used to happen, too. The idea was that educated parents were supposed to be transient, so nobody had to listen to us.
It stopped happening. It also seems to have stopped happening in a number of urban places, like Malden and Cambridge, because a certain number of people don't want to car commute anymore. I know people who moved from Cambridge to to suburbia because they had babies, but have now moved back because of time spent in cars eating their lives.
Probably used to happen
" The idea was that educated parents were supposed to be transient, so nobody had to listen to us."
So your saying that the people who were born in and raised in Medford were uneducated? That's a pretty broad brush you paint with.
Not a broad brush or exaggeration
The expectation was that people who had post-graduate education and were not born there would move. Actually that expectation was there for people who managed to go to college and returned - many of the "born there" teachers in the schools lived elsewhere (including a woman who grew up in a house just outside the window of her classroom).
More than a few parents who had graduated from the public schools were nearly illiterate, others had trouble writing a sentence or paragraph properly when the PTO e-mail came on line. There was a secretary in my son's middle school who was completely incapable of writing anything understandable, yet she was employed by the school and sending out letters on behalf of the principal! We set up an informal mentoring program so that those who wanted to learn proper grammar, spelling, writing, and struggled with their children's math assignments could get help from other parents.
Yes. It was really that bad.
They were functionally intelligent, but completely screwed over - the product of a school system that was controlled for nearly thirty years by a school committee whose members sent their kids to private schools. One of those lifetime members actually told a friend of mine that "if you really wanted you kids to learn to read and write, you shouldn't expect the city to pay for that - you should put them in private school".
That tune did not change until MCAS made them accountable.
If you want to know why I support the minimum standards MCAS (even though the rollout sucked for people who were screwed over), this is why: these people were not alone in their being screwed over by schools with very low expectations for all but a select few. This sort of shortchanging happened in working class areas throughout the Commonwealth.
Medford ain't Southie
I have been in my condo for close to 20 years. The condo below me has had 6 owners during this time. All 6 owners lived here for 2-3 years before the wife got knocked up then they moved to the 'burbs, Medford included. The joke among the neighbors is it must be the hot tub out on the patio.
So, you have no idea what you are talking about. Yuppies move in, have babies, move out of the City and the cycle repeats.
So-Bo Yuppie
Reading all your posts here has confirmed that you're a phony and don't know what you're talking about. You definitely don't even live in Southie.
Except that building new housing
Should slow the process down.
What you are looking at is an increase in demand for housing in South Boston. If the number of units stays constant, the value of existing units increases. Assuming that you are dealing with renters, families will get priced out. Even with owners, each unit brought online provides a relief valve for those paying property taxes.
Of course, for those families who are actually dreaming of cashing out and heading to Marshfield, their payday will be a bit lighter, but typically people don't talk about them in situations like this.
Ironically, what "ruined" Southie is that it became nice. People were aghast about housing prices 10 years ago, and they probably will be 10 years from now.
''TOWN WITHOUT PITY"
''TOWN WITHOUT PITY"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vAyitZPcMo
I remember this song. Ho-hum!
It's a beautiful, but rather powerful, albeit a very haunting song. Gene Pitney sang it so well. He had just the voice for it, too.
Ruining what exactly?
The Stadium is no Sullivan's and anything that brings younger residents (with expendable income) into Southie is exactly what it needs to not slip back into the depressed and dangerous dump it once was.
No. That is not what SoBo needs.
We need higher end, older yuppies (28 -40), not 24 year old frat boys who think they are still in college.
The only things that should be developed in SoBo are:
1. Open green space/parks
2. Single Family Homes
3. Three Bedroom Condos with a minimum of 2000 sq ft.
4. Higher End Restaurants
5. Offices
no frat boy bars, no apartments and no 1-2 bedroom condos.
- The Original SoBo Yuppie
An idea
They should just tear down the city and replace it entirely with condos.
My only question is whether they will be luxury condos. Imagine a city that was nothing but luxury condos. We'd all be living like kings!
Want a city with nothing but
Want a city with nothing but plenty of parking with new homes and no cultural identity whatsoever? Move to Dallas. Miles of vacant strategically placed concrete as far as the eye can see.
lost Boston
Seriously! I'm always shocked when I travel to different parts of the country and see so many cities and towns that resemble... well, nothing. No identity, just the same strip malls and cookie-cutter architecture. It's depressing when communities lose their unique character. Developers are ruining Southie, one luxury condo at a time.
The stadium?
I mean, come on. Boston is not going into the crapper when that building is knocked down.
Now if they touch anything on East Broadway, we are truly lost.
I Completely Agree
Southie is losing it's character, and I wouldn't say it's necessarily for the best. Let's try and keep the luxury condos up around the Waterfront area so the St. Patrick's Day Parade still feels like it's in Southie in 20 years.
Move the parade
Since SoBo hasn't been an irish-american neighborhood since 1995 the parade should be moved downtown.
Better yet
Put condos there but make it 40 stories high with no parking. Jam as many condos as you can on these lots.The bigger developments built down in the Lower End will keep the Yuppies there and the Fort Point area, leaving City Point the way it is.
Sounds Good, build away! And
Sounds Good, build away! And while they are at it they should develop the adjacent two lots at that intersection ( the old T-Mobile Store and Service Station).
Luxury condos right down the
Luxury condos right down the street from 2 project developments. Good luck to them.
Exactly my thoughts
when I first saw the location, but unfortunately there is such little inventory out there that they will probably have little trouble selling these (and at $600/sq.ft.).
Projects, Smojects...
This isn't the 80s anymore. Most are so safe that I cut through them all the time with no issues. and I look and dress like the typical yuppie.
You have no idea
You have no idea what you're talking about, I've lived in Southie my entire life (42 years) and grew up in Old harbor and the projects have gotten a lot more dangerous as the blacks and hispanics have moved in and formed gangs. Look at all the violence in D street the past year. Such a yuppie comment.
Real Yuppies
Don't walk through the projects, they drive around them. Your yuppie card has been revoked.
Market rate
vs. 5 bedroom in O C?
Maybe it will jump-start some
Maybe it will jump-start some much needed development in Andrew Sq and whole stretch down Dorchester Street to Broadway.
stadium
They should change it back to Kelly's Cork and Bull. The pre-drug den Kelly's.
yeah, that bar wasn't a fun
yeah, that bar wasn't a fun place to drink.