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Nice: Dorchester gangs moving into Roslindale
By adamg on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 9:53am
Buried in an otherwise routine Globe article about Roslindale seeking answers to gun violence (note to any out-of-state family members reading this: No, we are not cowering in our basement just yet), was this fun little nugget:
Several law enforcement officials said police fear the new violence could be the result of gang members recently moving from Dorchester to Roslindale.
Nitpicky note to the Globe: The sushi place isn't "new," it's been there for several years. Also, for all your emphasis on Roslindale Square, the two recent incidents didn't happen anywhere near the Square, although the allegedly drunk/off-his-meds holdup cop incident wasn't that far outside it. And if you really want to investigate gang issues affecting Roslindale, you might want to start down by the Dale Street bridge.
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Franklin Field
is being rehabbed- people have been relocated to Roslindale while the work is being completed.
Franklin Field is not being
Franklin Field is not being rehabbed!! That would be Franklin Hill.. lets get it straight. They are the ones being relocated.
Nitpicky note
Now you see how I feel when the Media blames Dorchester for everything.......
Yeah but
Isn't this story saying it's Dorchester's fault?
Please go look at the Boston
Please go look at the Boston Homicide Map and tell us what you see.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/2007_homicide_map/
Dorchester's not on there
No, wait, it's just that the name is obscured by all those little red dots.
Eyes Wide Open
I see dead people. Mostly in Dorchester. It looks like where doing pretty well on the vehicular homicides though! At least until next years map shows the one on , you got it, Dorchester Ave.We'll see how that one plays out.
Service industry
Boston's number one export now is the criminal element, true, it used to be that the incidents of violent crime was almost exclusive in the inner city. No more, we have exported our product to every neighborhood in Boston and all the surrounding communities and are now working on franchises in every state of New England!
Dorchester
Yes, Dorchester is the epicenter of death in the city however, that is not what I was referring to. My point was an aside comment to Adam regarding the Globe's mislabeling where these crimes happen….. No matter where in the city someone is killed the Globe’s reporters from Connecticut always claim it happened in Dorchester whether it did or not.
Funny, the Globe’s Masthead lists their address as Boston, but is actually in Dorchester. They would be better off listing it like it always was…North Dorchester & South Dorchester. Look at the map how many dots do you see on the South side of Dot Ave???? Looks like none !! That’s the real Dorchester… the one that identifies itself by its Parishes not its death toll….
The Globe's reporters from Connecticut
That would explain a lot (in fairness, I did once get a complaint from a Roxbury resident about some violent crimes I'd identified as "Roxbury" on the Boston Crime Map that happened nowhere near Roxbury; he was right).
By the "real" Dorchester you
By the "real" Dorchester you mean "white" Dorchester, no?
you can label it whatever
you can label it whatever you want to, but Dot Rat is correct. The residents of South Dot are much less prone to shooting each other than those in North Dot. St Brendan', St Anne's, St Mark's are the areas he is referring to as the Real Dorchester. the only person injecting race into this is MarkB.
So...
is Dorchester the new Roxbury?
(e.g. very large spatial district with focal areas of disaster lumped in with a diverse environment in general)
Mark B is a tool.....
I am surprised since I mentioned Parishes in my original post that you didn’t throw in Catholics with your “white” comment. For point of clarification, MarkB…. I didn’t mean nor infer “white” …. My point was geographic not racial. And as a resident of South Dorchester I can assure you the community is quite diverse, so your premise is flawed. Now if you went with the socioeconomic angle I would agree wholeheartedly with you. But, sadly as tools are wont to do you went for the race card….sad.
What?
You guys have a problem with Protestants?
Hey DotRat, do you have a dot dot?
so, geographically speaking,
so, geographically speaking, what exactly was meant by the real Dorchester comment? Maybe I missed it in your explanation.
"Look at the map how many
"Look at the map how many dots do you see on the South side of Dot Ave???? Looks like none !! That’s the real Dorchester… "
Seems fairly clear to me...
send them on their way
I've had enough with thugs moving into Roslindale. We need to be...um...reminding these people that they are not welcome here. Harass away! Call the landlords on code violations. Call the police for ANY suspicious activity. It's this or our real estate investments are toast.
Missing the Point
I think you may have missed the point that all but one of the "gentlemen" involved in the recent violence did not live in Roslindale. They simply raked eachother with gun-fire while driving through. Although I agree that illegal activity should never be tollerated in our neighborhood, "harassing" people, as you suggest, harkens back to the bad old days of turf wars, clanishness and insularity that truely made it tough to live in the HUB in the 90's an before and gave the city its great reputation for being the Alabama of the North. That said, I would definately encourage people in the neighborhood to talk with local police and community groups about starting community watches or "orange hat" groups in their neighborhood to keep an eye out for criminal activity in the neighborhood and let would-be criminals know that people in Roslindale care about where they live.
Not quite
At least two of the people involved in the recent incidents lived in Roslindale - the two brothers who got shot in their home on Cornell Street. I think that's more troubling than gunfire involving people just passing through (not that that isn't unsettling in its own right).
Fair Enough
If there were two of them who lived in Roslindale, fair enough, I got it wrong, there appear to be some people in Roslindale who are either up to no good, or are being shot by people who are up to no good. However, I stand by the rest of my comment on "harrasment."
I disagree: no more welcoming
While it's been nice up to now that Roslindale has been a very mixed area, this has now proven to allow a cover for the city's violent thugs to land here. I think we've been to accepting, and unfortunately I think the more "traditional" residents are going to need to...assert...themselves.
Let's face it, as soon as enough of these types are here and these violent incidents follow, you are going to see a massive flight of the middle class out of the area. What do you think that will do to your property value?
Ooh
I think promixcuous is speaking in secret code.
Hmm... "mixed area..." ""traditional" residents"..." "these types..."
It's all Greek to me.
Roslindale
It's all Greek and Albanian and Haitian and Dominican and Italian and Irish and Jewish and gay and Vietnamese and Brazilian and Korean to me.
heeee
For some reason, the "gay" in the middle of the list of nationalities/ethnicities amuses me very much, in an "aww-that's-cute" sort of way.
Good cover
That's some mighty good cover for, um, "these types."
I do wonder how the "traditional residents" would assert themselves... Should we barbecue a lamb on their lawn?
(Now I'm dredging up bad memories of my childhood in rural Kentucky)
ROXBURIAN
I'M GLAD YOU OLD DORCHESTER RESIDENTS ARE FINALLY REALIZING THAT NOT ONLY IS DORCHESTER A DAMN MESS, THE PEOPLE ARE THE SAME SO REGARDLESS TO WHERE THERE BABY MAMAS MOVE TOO(ROSLINDALE)THE TRUE COLORS ALWAYS COME OUT!! MIGRATE TO THE BURY IT WILL SOON BE THE NEW AND IMPROVED DOWNTOWN BOSTON!!
And we thought this day would never come...
I have been a resient living in Roslindale for 14 years, my family moved here because we honestly believe that Roslindale was a safer place to live than Dorchester or Roxbury, yes, things happen everywhere but the probability of it happen is greater in some parts of Dorchester and Roxbury...As a Roslindale Resident I think we should ban together so that your town does not end up like a war zone like other towns.