Hey, there! Log in / Register
Citizens for Limited Taxation: Send money or it gets called home
By adamg on Mon, 10/19/2009 - 9:25pm
Red Mass. Group reports the group that gave us Prop. 2 1/2 says it'll shut down on Nov. 16 unless it raises a lot of money at a Nov. 15 brunch:
... Three of us are looking into collecting unemployment compensation (except for Barbara, who is on Social Security). CLT as a legal organization will remain intact -- but with nobody working for it. It will become an empty shell. ...
Ad:
Support Universal Hub
Help keep Universal Hub going. If you like what we're up to and want to help out, please consider a (completely non-deductible) contribution.
Comments
limited taxation, but they'll take the benfits...
Is this a joke, the Citizens for Limited taxation are saying they are going to use the socialist unemployment (which is being bailed out with taxpayer funds) and social security (which will soon have to be)?
So we should have UNlimited taxation?
and triple the $400 billion deficit the Bush administration left?
(You DO know that employers ,millionaire plutocrats all, pay into the unemployment insurance fund, right? It's not just the tax money from your career as a barista.)You don't like limiting taxes? Somehow, the Commonwealth always figures out a way to get taxes beyond Prop 2 1/2. When every homeowner over the age of 40 sees their equity eroded by 50%, you will see class warfare that will make Medicaid clawbacks look like a picnic. Having traveled all around the country, it is indeed ironic to me that the educational mecca of America is also the country's capital of financial illiteracy.
I suppose were still 1st in
I suppose were still 1st in the nation as we're TAXACHUSSETTS! maybe if you repeat it, it'll finally make it true!
Why only homeowners over 40?
Can you explain why only "every homeowner over the age of 40" will see their equity (by which I presume you meant home equity) eroded by 50%? Why will a 30 year old homeowner not suffer the same fate?
Cripes
The name of the group isn't "Citizens For NO Taxation", it's "Citizen's For LIMITED Taxation." They pay into the system, same as you and me. So, your point is...?
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
Right, But...
part of their argument is that these programs aren't useful. The irony is that these same people are now proving that they are.
Because they're ultimately
Because they're ultimately for no taxation besides a flat tax, abolishing the federal reserve, and other loony ideas.
They very irresponsibly put a proposition to vote that would have defunded the state of Massachusetts while saying "everything will be fine, they'll have to cut stuff!" without ever providing what exactly that meant.
Wrong
You are giving generalities, and incorrect ones at that, while not answering the question.
First off, a flat rate IS taxation. You may not agree with the form of it, but it is one.
As for abolishing the Federal Reserve, I'm for it. So, that may make ME loony, but, truth be told, where you found that CLT is in favor of such a thing is beyond me. Point out where they say so and I'll commend you for it.
I do believe that you're referring to the No State Income Tax ballot question in your final sentence? That was sponsored by a totally different group, I believe they were called CLG, the Coalition for Limited Government (I may be mistaken on the name) and that group was headed by Carla Howell, not Barbara Anderson. So far as I know, CLT only sponsored the question rolling the state income tax back to 5%, which to this day, despite passage, has never happened.
If you want liars and backbiters and two-faced jerks and folks who truly have no respect for the people of this state and who are out for themselves alone, look in the State House. Not everybody there is that way, but there are more than enough to go around. If you look in the offices of CLT, you'll find three or four people who have existed on a shoestring for years, but have given the citizens of Massachusetts far more, from their combined effort, than the great majority of the weasels in government office have.
Feel free to jam on, but I've said my fill. The floor is yours, anon. I felt the need to defend some good people, but I don't care if you have the last word.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
Oh, cripes.
The crazy brigade is going to go on ... wait for it, UNEMPLOYMENT (except for the one on ... SOCIAL SECURITY).
Wow.
IRONIC.
The lesson today, for those of you who slipped and hit your head on the sarcasm anvil, is: Taxes are BAD, they are very, very BAD! (Except if the hand-out is to me, in which case they are GOOD! Very VERY GOOD!)
Cripes.
Don't see the problem
You're forced to pay into these programs. What is so bad about getting back some of the money you were forced to put in?
If I was forced to pay into an insurance program that I didn't want to and then time came where I may actually use that insurancel, you can bet your ass I would take advantage of it.
Its sort of like when the
Its sort of like when the Tea Party people wrote a letter to complain that the DC metro didnt add extra service for them. Not a joke.
Tax Deductible?
If I give them money, is it tax deductible?
Good, they can tax their
Good, they can tax their "taxes are evil" mantra and stick it.
Greedy, irresponsible DB's is what they are. All one has to do is ask where that supposed budget was for what would have happened if 2 1/2 went through.
Good thing MA voters aren't blithering idiots, like their usual audience.
Um, OK...
I can't even make any sense out of those sentences, but I trust that as a responsible non-"greedy" taxpayer, "anon (not verified)" checks off the optional 5.85% tax rate on Form 1.
FTW
FTW
WTF??
WTF? "if 2 1/2 went through ..."
Dude, it WENT through.
Way to know your history.
The residents of Nahant (20%
The residents of Nahant (20% increase), Kingston (11.8% increase), and Mashpee (11.3% increase) will need to open their wallets a lot more next year to pay for the double digit increases in property taxes.
According to 2008 municipal finance data included in the report, annual property tax increases were above average in Amesbury (7.9 percent), Burlington (7.9 percent), Eastham (9.3 percent), Fall River (6.7 percent), Falmouth (7.2 percent), Franklin (9.9 percent), Harvard (9.9 percent), Kingston (11.8 percent), Lawrence (9.9 percent), Lexington (9 percent), Longmeadow (9.7 percent), Mashpee (11.3 percent), Methuen (8.6 percent), Nahant (20 percent), Nantucket (8.3 percent), North Adams (9.3 percent), Northfield (8.5 percent), Orleans (8.1 percent), Plympton (8.7 percent), Raynham (8.8 percent), Rowley (9.5 percent), Scituate (11.6 percent), and Sharon (10.3 percent).
I thought Prop. 2 1/2 limited property tax increases to 2 1/2% per year. This appears to be a loophole large enough to drive a T Commuter Rail Train through!
Please put a stop to these double digit property tax increases, before we all are forced to move out of this state after loosing our homes to the tax man.