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Boston Police just sent out a crime bulletin to downtown merchants warning them that peaceniks will mass on the Common starting at 1 p.m. on Saturday (why, even Cindy Sheehan will be there). Merchants can expect traffic tie-ups as streets are closed to let them march, but they can be assured that

There will be a significant police presence.

Eeka: If peace rallies are criminal activity, then only criminals have peace rallies?


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cindy sheehan is the single most annoying person in the country. her message is lost in her shrill shrieking shouts. she has done more harm than good for her cause.

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but clearly you stand by your opinion so strongly that you posted it anonymously. Why's that?

http://1smootshort.blogspot.com

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Why are you so negative eeka? The world is a good place. People have differing opinions. Try to see the good side of people.

Lots of people post uninformed comments. Sometimes they are going for an attempt at humor that obviously falls flat. I am anti-war but find Cindy Sheehan annoying myself and I think she has alienated some people.

As for the unwashed comment, well, we have been at these rallies and there are some unique people there!! Is it fair to characterize the whole rally but a few people? No. Is it fair to assume every one who posts a quick silly comment on a local blog is posting their thesis? No.

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Posting anonymously really isn't the way to be convincing in one's opinions.

Someone has been posting to Every Single Thread about wars, peace rallies, peace signs, etc. concerning people who would attend such things being unwashed and unemployed.

As a washed and employed individual who would attend such things (if I weren't so employed), I'm finding the constant repetition of such stereotypes tiresome.

Can't argue about the uniqueness of people, though.

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If I were a shopowner, I'd like to be forewarned of days when nobody in the immediate area would have money, a job, or soap. I'd just close up at 1pm, a full three hours before everything usually closes in Downtown Crossing.

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Large demonstrations like this one bring lots of folks into the area with extra money to spend (especially on food and drink).

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It's the other oh-so-brave anonymous commenter, the one who has decided that everyone who's against the war doesn't bathe or work!

The Gallup Poll done at the beginning of March showed 52% of Americans (and 77% of Jewish Americans) against the war. So wouldn't that mean that most people don't bathe or work?

Oh there I go again, bringing logic into someone's attempt at trolling...

http://1smootshort.blogspot.com

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The best part is that people who think like that usually consider a job to be "something a person does from 9 to 5, Monday through Friday", and the events s/he's been whining about involving the unwashed jobless masses have occurred on Saturdays.

I mean, I work on Saturdays, but many people who have full-time jobs don't. Bet people who don't work on Saturdays probably also bathe.

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I am against the war, and hardcore at that; it's the majority of the knuckleheads at these protests which I find embarrasing. Thanks for bringing the logic to my attempt, though!

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So...do you have a job and do you bathe?

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Oh, so now everyone who is against the war is a protester?!

I do have a job and I do smell like Lush products right now; not really relevant, but there you go. But I don't go to protests, because while some very well-meaning people do show up, the loudest and most visible- you know, the wannabe hippie type who can't seem to spell "corporate", "sea turtle", or "Israel" correctly on their picket signs (I'm not fully convinced that "Amerikkka" is an intentional misspelling, either)- tend to make such events counter-productive.
As if non-violent protests do a damn thing anymore, since the police are allowed to fence them off or put them in special "protest zone" cages, but that's a whole other thing about why we're doomed.
Also, I'm not "the guy who comments anonymously in all the anti-war postings"; that must be some other jerk, not this jerk.

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"Oh, so now everyone who is against the war is a protester?!"

No, I didn't say that. This comment makes a lot of sense, and I do apologize for assuming you were the other jerk. :)

Lush products are good. I should get some.

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should not be made to pay for it, imo. While, I, too am opposed to our war on Iraq and to what Dubya's Administration does, just generally, I believe that certain tactics, such as sitting in the middle of busy thoroughfares blocking traffic, illegally occupying buildings, or preventing people from going to work, or going about their daily business, pleasures, and their lives generally are counterproductive, rude, and, in addition to making many people more angry and alienating possible potential support, often result in the loss of sight of the issue at hand, imo.

While demonstrations have their place if done respectfully and in an organized manner, the above-mentioned are not the way to go. Regarding blocking traffic, aside the risks of arrest and a possible permanent record that would make it tougher to get employment or whatever later, here's yet another problem with it: Blocking traffic also makes it more difficult for emergency vehicles(such as ambulances, fire vehicles, and police cars) to get through.

All of the above having been said, I believe that some (hard) questions
should be asked: A) Is it really worth going out and sitting in the street to block traffic to make one's point really worth the risk of getting arrested? Suppose a loved one, neighbor, friend or acquaintence was in the ambulance trying to get to the hospital? Every second of every minute counts when a seriously ill/injured person is being transported to the hospital, and when the police have to move the crowds aside and out of the way to let ambulances and other emergency vehicles through, which can and does cause dangerous delays. (B) Would anybody who decided to block traffic to make their point be willing to do some community service for the family of, say, a heart attack or stroke victim who failed to reach the hospital in time due to insistence on making a point by blocking traffic? C) How would you feel if somebody had to get themselves or family members to an important medical appointment and they ended up being late due to crowds' blocking of traffic to make their point? (D) Are there more constructive ways to make this same point and let our voices be heard and our opinions known? I believe, that, if people really put their heads together and think it over, there are.

The best way to hold demonstrations/marches is for the cops to cordon off certain streets to vehicular traffic, and re-route the vehicular traffic around the demonstration. I myself have attended several anti-war candlelight vigils that did not involve blocking traffic, were respectable and got our message across without being rude and disruptive. Emailing and/or calling our senators, Congresspeople, State Reps and legislators is also another way to get the message across.

Here's yet another example of how making nontargets of this kind of anger at our government's policies pay for it can and has had, disastrous results. Back in 1970, Catherine Power and afew of her friends, who, btw, were also opposed to the Viet Nam War (I was too, btw), decided that it would be a good idea to rob a Boston/Brighton bank to fund their cause, and their attempted bank robbery went horribly wrong.

A Boston Patrolman who responded to the robbery ended up getting shot in the back and killed by one of Ms. Power's friends. Although Ms. Powers was driving the getaway car, she and her friends were indirectly responsible for the death of the Patrolman, and for the fact that his wife became a widow and that a brood of kids was forced to grow up without a father.

Catherine Power went underground for a number of years, often under different names, surrendered to authorities in the late 1990's, and ended up serving an 8-12 year term in a penetentiary for her involvement in that bank robbery that went horribly wrong.

I admittedly have little to no pity for Catherine Power, even though it did threaten her mental health. Here's why: It's not as if Ms. Power was an adolescent who got in a jam due to being caught up in the excitement not knowing what she was doing, imo. She was a consenting adult who knew what the people she was with were up to, who they were and what they were doing. She could've/should've walked away from them and didn't. Instead, she got herself into a mess, where she was not only indirectly responsible for causing grief and pain to others, but threatened her own health as well.

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The Boston T Party
The Original Patriot's Day
The Continental Congress
Faneul Hall
Sheltering escaped slaves

As Jello Biafra says "Give me convenience or give me death!".

As the First Amendment reads "the right of the people to peaceably assmeble shall not be abridged".

Unless, of course, it inconveniences YOU, which means it should be stopped or contained by the police? Right.

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positions on this matter. I also happen to be a free speech advocate, yet I believe that with it comes responsibility. There's nothing wrong with drawing a line somewhere. Regarding comparing things to the Boston Tea Party or whatever, these are completely and totally different times now. Not to be compared.

The fact is that we do need cops around, like them or not. Granted, rogue cops who abuse their power and go over what's legal and acceptable must be brought to justice. That's agreed. However, I don't blame the cops for preventing demonstrators from blocking traffic. It's not putting them in a cage at all to have certain streets cordoned off for a given march/demonstration. What's wrong with that? Nothing, imo.

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when people decide to sit in the middle of a main thoroughfare blocking traffic, causing unnecessary and/or dangerous delays, and unnecessary tension, or to prevent, or attempt to prevent people from going about their business, pleasure, and their daily lives, they are violating the rights of others, in their own way. Imho, it's not any better than the actions and behaviours of the anti-abortionists who block reproductive cllinics to interfere with people's rights to obtain abortions.

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