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Did BPD crackdown in Dudley Square snare innocent liquor-store worker?

Jeff Daniels acknowledges he walked out of his father's liquor store in Dudley Square holding an open bottle of beer on Aug. 12. But, he said, he was only going outside to dispose of the bottle - opened inside the store, he says, by a customer from whom he immediately grabbed the bottle and ordered out of the store.

Unfortunately for Daniels, two police officers on bikes happened to be riding by at that moment and they stopped to arrest him on a charge of drinking in public - and issue a citation to Daniels's father, Richard, longtime owner of Giant Liquors at 2371 Washington St.

The two Daniels appeared before the Boston Licensing Board today to plead their case that the board not punish them for the incident, and a similar one involving an allegedly drunk customer caught with an open beer outside a few days earlier.

The elder Daniels' lawyer, Jack Milgram, told the board his client, who once owned interests in five liquor stores in the area, has never before been in trouble with the licensing board - despite the challenges of operating in Dudley Square.

"It's a challenging location, being in the heart of Dudley Square and being across from the Dudley stop of the MBTA," he said.

Beyond his record, though, Milgram said Daniels went so far as to fire another son and a nephew, both of whom also worked in the store, along with some other employees, and posted signs warning people not to drink or loiter outside the store.

A police report says one of the bicycle officers observed Jeff Daniels exit the store and open a 12-ounce bottle of Guinness around 7:50 p.m. on Aug. 12. Later, officers observed numerous empties by the store's front window, the report says.

The younger Daniels, however, told a different story: A customer bought the beer and then, while still in the store, opened it. Daniels testified he told the customer he couldn't do that, that he was jeopardizing the store's license, then took the beer away from him and ordered him out. He said he was bringing the bottle to a trash can outside when he was spotted.

Daniels said he explained that to the two cops but that one said it didn't matter because "Boston Police had a lower tolerance level for the Dudley Square area." Neither of the officers attended today's hearing; their report was ready by a detective.

Daniels said there were no empties outside the store when the officers took him away for booking.

In the other incident, the elder Daniels acknowledged selling the man in question a can of beer, but said he did not appear at all drunk - he was steady on his feet, his eyes were not bloodshot, he wasn't slurring his words, he didn't smell of alcohol. A police report said he was in "a high state of intoxication."

The board decides Thursday what action, if any, to take against the store. It could do nothing, issue a warning or suspend the store's license to sell liquor for a certain number of days.

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If the problem is the behavior of drunken people, then go after that. Other states seem to do just fine with letting someone drink a g-d beer or two in public - let alone dump one out!

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Could you clarify? Are you advocating for allowing people to drink alcohol in public?

I don't want people who are reading your comment to come away with the mistaken belief that open containers of alcohol are allowed in many states. In fact, they are only allowed in as few as seven states and, according to this Wikipedia article, in those, local jurisdictions almost always have laws against it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_open_co...

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I see no reason to have this rule. What harm is done by people having a little wine at the Hatch Shell on summer Wednesday nights, for instance?

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Seriously, I think keeping public drunkenness on the books is sufficient. The fine for open container is rather dumb, but I'm sure it's caught plenty of tough guys with gun or weapons as well.

Think those pesky traffic laws that the common criminal also ignores, which can lead to probable cause for searches when they start acting skeevy.

Maybe it's not a good enough justification. Who knows.

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You can, and possibly should, keep the first one illegal while allowing the second.

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Most "open container" laws have to do with having an open container of alcoholic beverage in an automobile.

If alcohol is legal for adults to drink, then adults should be allowed to drink it. The open container in a car laws are justified - the ones prohibiting people from sipping wine while walking along the beach or taking a couple of beers on a hike need to be reviewed and justified.

Puritan "but we can't let adults act like grownups" is not a justification.

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In Louisiana, they have drive-in cocktail places, where you can pull out with a big cup full of tasty treat.

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(Everett Turnpike) at the pulloff just north of the Hooksett toll plaza - which you can only access from the Turnpike.

You have two buildings side by side.

One building reads "Safety Rest Area".

The other building reads "State Liquor Store".

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Aside from the fact that they don't sell cold beer or wine ... when NH tried to get fed money to advertise the liquor store as part of the rest area they were denied funding for the signage (Rest area signs, at the time, were paid for by the Federal Highway Admin.).

In the mid-80s, while travelling north with my highwayguy dad, we had to pull over and take a picture so he could put it in his slide set.

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Cities have open container districts, usually considered bar districts.

You need to lose the glasses at the door, but there's stacks of plastic cups so you can take your beverage to the next establishment.

Don't try to bring it home though, walk a block in the wrong direction and you'll get a nice citation.

There's a few areas in Boston where it work, canal street comes to mind, but I can recall many places where open container is actually legal save the populated state of Montana. Even Vegas PD will tag you if you try to take a beer outside the local strip area.

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You can smoke in pubic. You can drink juice in public. Why the hell not alcohol?

Public drunkenness is a nuisance, yes. Sitting in a park with a beer is not.

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That Wikipedia article is wrong. (Did you notice the [citation needed]?)

Massachusetts has no statewide open container law, just a collection of town laws, and agency regulations for places like state parks and the T.

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That liquor store is the cause of all the drunks mentaly ill and homeless people hanging around the area. its like a convention If they shut that store half of dudley station would be empty. dudley area will never get on its feet till they run the bums out. the only time they do is when patrick the gov comes to visit.

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"He said he was bringing the bottle to a trash can outside when he was spotted."

As opposed to, say, the toilet or sink? A trash can outside?

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

"The younger Daniels, however, told a different story: A customer bought the beer and then, while still in the store, opened it."

Since when do they sell single bottles or cans of...well...anything...save hard liquor?

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The more upscale sort of places like Martignetti's and Liquor Land don't, but most corner store sort of places seem to.

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That might be the first time I've seen upscale and Liquor Land in the same sentence. Don't get me wrong though, it is my favorite liquor store by far for many reasons.

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Right, it's not like holy-shit posh, but I meant that it's a lot more upscale than most corner stores, in that they have a good selection of craft beers and imported liquors, the staff know about what they're selling and will make recommendations, they do tastings and events and things, they'll order stuff they don't carry, etc.

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Not just 40s either. Cheap lagers as well as some craft beers.

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I don't know where in the pantheon of "fine alcohol establishments" and "packies" these places fit, but they all sell singles too. Most places I've been to do.

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Do police customarily appear at licensing board hearings? The fact that they weren't there makes me doubt their side of the story, but I don't know if it's s.o.p. for them to come. I say give the business owner a pass on this.

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Somebody from BPD always testifies at violation hearings. The officers involved often do testify - especially if it's a hearing on a blood-drenched brawl or other outbreak of violence. If they can't attend (say because they're in court or on vacation or something), one of the detectives assigned to licensing issues will typically read from their report for the record (sometimes, it will be the shift commander, if he happens to be the one who wrote up the licensing citation even if he wasn't the one who responded to whatever got the place in trouble).

It goes the other way, too. Board members sometimes get peeved at bar owners who don't show up with the bartender or employee who was directly involved in whatever happened (sometimes because said employees suddenly quit or were fired).

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the cops turn a blind eye to most of the stuff. if he was drinking the beer a way from the store. to stand in the front with the can is stupid. Like the drunks facing a wall and you can see the pee running down the sidewalk. like the cops are not suppose to know what they are doing.

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Peeing against the wall shouldn't be illegal.

There's no law against public urination. Cops charge people with lewd and lascivious behavior, a requirement of which is that someone sees your junk and gets offended. If you're facing the wall, there's nothing to see.

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The store's version of events is too incredible to be believed. Even if the mystery customer opened a bottle of Guinness in the store and it was snatched from him rather than providing him a brown bag and ushering him out the door, why wouldn't the staffer put the confiscated bottle with the other empties for redemption? If this place does any business at all on beer or in this case stout, they pay a significant amount in deposit fees that they get back when they return the empties to the distributor. Throwing the empties away is like throwing away cash and I doubt it happened.

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Good job BPD and would the owner explain the challenges that the Dudley square MBTA terminal causes his booze business.

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Wait until the school department moves into Ferdinand's building. Then everything will change. Dudley sq. will be redeveloped and revitalized.

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