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Olympic plan involves building giant things that can then be shrunken down

The Globe reports on ongoing efforts by an "elite" group of rich people to bring the Olympics here in 2024. Of course, Boston doesn't need an 80,000-seat stadium, so the idea would be to design a stadium with segments that could be tossed away afterwards to leave Robert Kraft a 25,000-seat stadium for the New England Revolution. And the 15,000-person housing complex for athletes and coaches? Hey, Boston needs more housing, right? Mitt Romney is on board. The Globe adds:

Transportation between venues in a cramped city with an aging subway system would also have to be closely examined.

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All I need to know. To quote Groucho Marx: Whatever it is, I'm against it!

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As silly as this all sounds the idea may have merit for fixing the MBTA. Mass politicians like bright shiny expensive things which draw international attention. The Olympics would compel the disinterested legislature to finally do something about the maintenance, access, and capacity issues plaguing the MBTA.

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I agree, it probably would prompt some MBTA improvements.

The Olympics were what prompted Montreal to build a subway system, for example.

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1000x better than Deval.

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Pretending the help doesn't exist?

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n/t

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Talk about a left handed compliment, or damning with faint praise....

As governor, Mitt had two victories, in my book. He got us legal booze on Sundays. And he fired Matt Amorello. Otherwise, Massachusetts was a resume bullet for Governor Haircut.

Still waiting on Deval's first one. And Annie Dookhan doesn't count, unless you're one of the thousands of Dookhan-ized felons.

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That seems to have worked out fairly well here, though he pretty much disclaims it now.

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He decided to pander to idiots, however it's been far more successful than any social program any dem has implemented in this state.

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3 largest tax increases (making history), fidelity investments closed it doors, tech tax, failed wind bill, failed hires (lunatic driver as head of trans dept) and increased state dept. this is only what I can think of if the top of my head.

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Is still very much alive and kicking.

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Private sector employment; Deval has been able to maintain slightly but hasn't produced anything substantial. We've had major employers move south under Deval, not a good thing for a city with has one of the highest post high school education populous.

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i'll take the guy who shows up everyday rather than the hotshot who disappeared halfway through

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Deval has travel the universe for his party, and for his office decor....

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I'll take the guy who shows up every day too. Where is he? It's sure as shit not Deval.

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Well, I'm sure that I'm not the only person who's thinking that this idea comes up every 15 years or so. This is just enough time for either people to forget, or the population to turn over enough, so there's the idea, "Hey, how come Boston has never hosted the Olympics? We could TOTALLY do this!" Money is spent, studies are completed and people figure out (once again) that it's not a responsible way to spend money. The Olympics are usually a giant money loser for the host city.

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Shouldn't be an issue. New Red Line cars are supposed to be here in 2019, which means the MBTA should take delivery right around 2023!

Seriously though, if the MBTA maintains status quo for the next 11 years, we won't have a transit system to worry about.

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This is not feasible. Boston is too small to handle this , infra-structure and security wise. Only Budweiser in Medford could handle their end of it professionally. The T would be overwhelmed to the point of no return , forget about it. We dont need no Leggo Erectorset stinking Soccer field .Is this some sort of fall back plan for the defeated Suffering Downs location anyway?I smell the Chelsea Creek somehow.......

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What event would they be hosting? Presumably we'd rather have Sam Adams or Harpoon sponsoring stuff, since they're actually local.

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(As me and my buddies refer to as) dirty di*k water.

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I'm imagining Sammy or Harpoon would have a hard come coming up with the multi-millions in cash that an Olympic sponsorship would require.

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They have their JP location that doesn't do shit. They moved out of state like most businesses because of our shit corporate tax laws.

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Wrong. In addition to the JP mini-museum their corporate headquarters are on the South Boston waterfront. Production was moved out of state, operations was not.

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You can bet your bottom dollar Bud would be all in with respect to sponsoring. I meant servicing the increase in the overall demand throughout the city. They know how to service , running out of Medford. The Sam Adams distributor is a good one too , but he has other product lines. You need critical mass of product , which is what Bud has. You need to make money to provide service. Not everybody drinks the sponsors stuff , unless you exclude the competition. That aint going to happen, no one is going to pull Bud out of their establishment. Bud isnt the king for nothing! ( PS Bud has a brewery in NH , look into where Sam is brewed , Harpoon okay More local , )

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Budweiser would give folks visiting from other countries a terrible impression. (The Czechs especially would not be pleased.)

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You got to learn who Budweiser is now , they can handle it........

http://www.ab-inbev.com/go/brands.cfm

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Or what we want.

All that matters is making sure their corporate partners can sell millions of gallons of so-called beer at exorbitant prices.

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Take it easy killer, we get it, you work for AB. Relax.

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Sorry anon , you get nothing, They are just a very well run company. You just have to get the private sector to get it.

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of course "rich people" are on board - they stand to make a ton of money while the city (and taxpayers) foots most of the bill.

I'm guessing there's going to be some kind of property grab too... This is bad news.

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The owner of Suffolk Construction is leading the committee, of course! He has a lot to gain.

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The 1% right. Suffolk pays above rate to its employees but ya job creators are evil. Welfare for all, life long vacations for most.

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Of course he has a lot to gain, but can you blame him? It's his business.
Jeez, some guy sees an opportunity you don't like it? Wouldn't it be good if a lot of the construction went to a local company?
Take a look at all the charities they help out. They're involved everywhere.

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So Kraft is trying to get tax money to pay for his soccer stadium. He already tried to get stimulus dollars to build a a bridge for his mall. Typical conservative, like schilling before him they are all about cutting taxes and less government except when it comes to subsiding the rich

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Kraft among Dems top donors. Never let the facts get in the way or anything.

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Hollywood is part of the 99%.

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Well, the overall point is a good one: Mr. Bazillionare is going to get an opportunity to make more money on the backs of the taxpayers by asking them to subsidize the construction of a stadium.

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And if he does get a tax break you don't like, don't blame him, blame the lawmakers who game him the breaks.

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Gillette was built with 100% private financing from Kraft. If you want to complain about Bazillionare's fleecing tax payers, go talk to residents of Florida.

The footbridge also wasn't for the mall, it was for the parking lots across the street used for football. Go down there on game day sometime, there are at least 20 Staties posted on RT 1 to allow pedestrian's to cross the street. I haven't seen a cost/benefit analysis on this, but I imagine in the long run a bridge would cost less than having all these officers acting as crossing signals, would improve traffic flow on RT 1 while also allowing the now excess police officers to focus on more important matters like people driving away from the stadium drunk.

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Of Gillette's total $412 million budget, 17 percent, or $72 million came from public funding in the form of State infrastructure contribution.

Here's the source (I can't get a pretty link to paste into this comment, but if you Google Gillette Stadium public financing, this is one of the first few results:)

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDkQ...

While it's true that the stadium itself was constructed with private money, access to and from the stadium was improved, courtesy of the Commonwealth.

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Why,I can't wait to hear what Mayor-elect Walsh will be told what to say to the media on the idea!

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BAD idea. Look at history of olympic locations and all of them in debt up to their eyeballs with athletic grounds the cities can't afford to maintain and lots and lots of corruption (more than usual, just ask mitt the twitt while he takes credit for getting the salt lake city olympics on track, it was your and my tax dollars that really did the trick)

Let the olympics go some where else!!!

However, if the idea of the olympics coming here spurs the state to invest in its public transportation and infrastructure, lets talk.

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We have Boston Garden, Fenway Park, Foxborough/Patriots. Then Harvard and BC have big stadiums; MIT has an Olympic-sized pool. BU and BC have good indoor arenas. BU, Simmons, and Wentworth have nice midsized outdoor fields. Most of the universities have high-end athletic centers that would accommodate smaller sports like fencing and wrestling. We have the Reggie Lewis Track Center in Roxbury. BU had the Track and Tennis Center. We do Head of the Charles every year, so crew wouldn't be that much different, as would the Marathon events since that's annual, too. I'm sure I'm leaving out some sports and facilities, but I'm sure they're mostly extant in the Greater Boston area (horse-riding events, etc.)

As for Olympic Village, we have tons of schools with dorm space who are looking to build more dorm space. It should be easy to form a partnership with a school or neighboring schools who have a) existing dorms to volunteer and b) are looking to expand.

All Boston would need to do is maybe modify some existing structures for certain events and add some hotels, which are needed anyway, and some shuttle buses to handle the crowds.

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Yes, but many of those institutions are privately owned and may not be keen on loaning them out to the city for the Olympics- not when they have their own matches (either collegiate or professional level) or, in addition, in the case of the universities, students who use the facilities for recreation or intramural sports.

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Please read the Boston Globe article and then maybe edit your comment since part of what you're proposing won't work.

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Because it's so easy to read the article when there's a paywall in the way.

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It helped that they used at least some of the same venues both times.

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Mitt is on the board. He's evil!

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LA has a population that can support large public venues. They also have far more highway and local street capacities than Boston which reduces roadways. Having events at B.U. is a funny one. Would love to see the Green Line and Comm Ave try to handle 100,000 spectators on top of regular work-day traffic. I wonder what neighborhoods would get razed to build new stadiums and housing complexes? Assembly Square might finally get developed after Ikea and Walmart were rebuked.

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Sounds like a utopia ... oh, wait, traffic. Gotta pave more.

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First, all the potential plans for a Boston Olympics involves using vacant former industrial areas of Boston. The areas that are being thrown around are Suffolk Downs of East Boston, Waterfront area, South Bay area, and the rail yard above BU between Storrow/Soldier Field and the Turnpike (and Harvard owned but they are just sitting on it). So that's your answer to "what neighborhoods get razed". None, plenty of areas in Boston that can be used without razing any homes.

Each seems to have Pros and Cons:

Suffolk Down now looks a lot more interesting with the failure of the Casino. Plenty of good space, near the airport, and screenshots of Revere Beach (from 500 ft) would look cool to outsiders. The downside is the only highway is 1A which not exactly useful, unable to leverage Boston itself to support, and relying on only the Blue line. Development-wise, it can be viewed as a good excuse and motivator to link the Blue line to the Red Line and maybe build it north to Lynn/Salem.

South Bay - Meets the space requirement and on the Red line. I-93 is actually around. The downside is South Bay is not as "vacant" as a rail-yard, seaport, or horse track. And the Southeast Expressway is probably the least capable highway of any. I think this has been considered the least from what I can tell from articles.

Waterfront - They are probably liking the shots of Boston waterfront. The downsides is good luck with the Silver line - even using it as an excuse to make it light rail won't add enough.

Former CSX Rail-Yard - Honestly, the above probably left way too much stuff out and under-researched. I think I like the railyard idea the most and why I am really replying as you mentioned the B-line. The B-line is a total joke, but the area actually may have the most transit potential to activate. Think about it: There's the Turnpike with plans already existing to straighten the highway and rework the mess of interchanges. There's Memorial and Storrow which means already more higher capacity roads over the singular highways of South Bay (I-93), Waterfront (Central Artery), and Suffolk Downs (Kinda Route 1). With the road capacity, there's rail that can be worked. Harvard have been sitting on a tunnel for some future reason and this seems like a good reason. There's the Worcester line that been slow upgrading and this can be a good reason to speed it up. If you state at the map and look around, there's space for Right of Ways to be found to bring back the A-line on dedicated space (combination space around BU Bridge, existing rail, and the old rail yard to make the connections.

On top of that, unlike the others. It is sandwich between Harvard and BU. While they are waving to convert the dorms to new Real Estate for the general market. Having the two abutting two university campuses abutting with dorm style buildings seems like a good backup plan to me.

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Something tells me that the legislature and its "we can't subsidize Boston - now give us $50 million to repair our roads in sparsely populated Western Mass" buffoons will end up dumping all the debt on the T.

There is a reason that the Feds didn't trust anybody local to run 93 Fast 14: Massachusetts is fundamentally unable to launch and run large-scale projects. This has been demonstrated time and time again. All this Olympics nonsense does is create an even bigger project to screw up and suck tax dollars into poorly supervised contracts.

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Markk made his post about road capacity and B-line which prompted my response that of all the major venue location, the place probably is probably one of the more able location. Despite the B-line's joke status, it ironically may have the most activate-able potential between the old Red Line tunnel, Turnpike, Worcester line, open areas to other ROWs, and the river roads. Meanwhile the other locations seems to have less immediate ways to open access.

In short, my post was a speculative piece about venues. I could analyze and told about cost, but then I need my post to be twice as long while making an entire shift in subject matter half-way through. I was already running on assumption to do it to think about what kind of venues address Markk, if not, then just about any post is superflorous. Even the Romney vs Deval comment-thread abive is a nullified point as that's still a question after asking "can we afford this?" much less the comments above about using this as a tool to fix the MBTA.

I am not contesting the merit to question how beneficial to Boston and us for the money to be spent on this. If we are on that subject, my short version of that line of thought that this is justifiable first as monetary profitability for Boston. Second reason I an accept is the best chance to make the state do something to improve infrastructure (because if everything you said above is correct, then not doing the Olympics may mean (and likely) nothing gets done rather than reallocating that same (or a large amount) resources to do things better). But I wasn't focusing on that aspect. I was addressing Markk bringing up what part of Boston would host it if we actually manage to do this and actually win while consider what may have be most positive impact with least negative (even if the negatives may not outweigh the positives here).

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"However, if the idea of the olympics coming here spurs the state to invest in its public transportation and infrastructure, lets talk."

THIS right here, is the entire fucking point.

Not stadiums, not economic benefits for the city. They really only need to construct one downsizeable stadium anyway, the rest can be reuse of existing facilities.

The state being under the gun to host an international event would mean fixing our infastructure. That, plain and simple, is worth any downsides.

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We have still not recovered to 2008 employment levels and traffic keeps getting worse. Some serious house cleaning is needed at DCR and local city planning departments to rid them of anti-car, anti-bus attitudes so that the local economy isn't more harmed by slow, expensive transportation on top of high wages, high property costs, and high natural gas and electricity costs.

Oh, and also, Boston anti-fun laws would need to not apply to the Olympic Village. Perhaps the whole area would need a break from them. Easier than explaining how "world-class" cities like Boston and Cambridge require closing everything starting between midnight to 2 am.

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Best laff of the day!

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Markk shows his biases citing only cars. But for a successful Olympics (with success measured in terms of getting Boston to build stuff for the better of Bostonian), infrastructure of all types would be raised.

Like I said in the other comment. If we are hosting an Olympics, I like the CSX railyard. And part of it is its position allows all kinds of excuses to upgrades both roads and rails. What other locations would provide excuses for the Turnpike, Red Line (old Harvard Tunnel), Blue Line (can't do Harvard tunnel without Red-Blue Connector), Green Line (B-line upgrades and even A-line), Worcester Line (DMU? Electrification?), and the river roads (to whatever we want to do with that)?

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In case you didn't know, buses are motor vehicles, and they rely on roadways. Personal transportation like bicycles, motorcycles, and often cars can not take the place of mass transportation for moving many 10s of thousands of people to events. Trains and subways have the greatest ability to move people locally, then buses.

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The state being under the gun to host an international event would mean fixing our infastructure. That, plain and simple, is worth any downsides.

Yeah, because there's no way the state could possibly fuck up a major, high-profile infrastructure upgrade. Guaranteed to be completed on time, under budget, and without a single unforeseen problem. Just like the big dig.

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You have a point. And probably the strongest reasoning against hope that the Olympics as a tool to infrastructure.

Personally, the best counter-reasoning maybe that if we don't host an Olympics then we'll build nothing. Then the choice is a chance to build some stuff versus nothing at all. Then I rather have the chance as it still better than zero.

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"Better to do something than nothing" is one of the stupidest arguments ever (in almost any situation). If the "something" is a hugely expensive state project that benefits nobody after the Olympics are over, then the alternative ("nothing") is far better. People seem to assume that the pressure of hosting the Olympics will suddenly make it possible for the Commonwealth to design and implement intelligent transportation solutions in a reasonable amount of time. As Jack Nicholson said in The Departed, "If you coulda, you woulda." There has been zero evidence of the state's ability to do so at any point in my lifetime, and simply spending a lot of money for a high-profile project isn't going to make it happen by magic.

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To be fair, Science Park is the one hope of change. Fast 14 is kinda a hope, though Swirrly pointed out a fallacy of that. But yes, there's a point where the something can be worse than the nothing.

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Where is the monorail to connect the venues? I mean, it would theoretically serve as public transit after the flame went out (so no need to actually fix the T amirite?).

Why should Olympians have to share space with city residents and all that ... MONORAIL! MONORAIL! MONORAIL!

Also, why doesn't private funding build an olympic complex at Suffolk Downs?

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Billions of dollars have been wasted to bury transportation that was formally elevated, both roads and the T. A century ago, the need, practicality and cost-effectiveness of elevated trains overwhelmed neighborhood opposition from mostly renters. Today with condo ownership replacing absentee landlords, more owners oppose needed projects. Russia and China don't let such things get in the way. If the I-695 inner belt couldn't get done here 40 years ago, little chance the Olympics can.

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specifically, the Atlanta Olympic stadium became Turner Field, home of the Braves.

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And Braves field became Boston University field when the now Atlanta Braves left Boston , stopping in Milwaukee for a bit to drink up some beer. And Ted Turner , having married and divorced Jane Fonda , gave up on marriage and decided to play the field.

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“I’m sure some cities have benefited long-term from hosting the Olympic Games, but I don’t think that is the primary reason for doing so,” said Romney. “Hosting the Olympics is about serving the world and providing service to athletes and people from almost every country. If it’s seen as a chance for Boston to serve as America’s host to the world, that can be a fantastic experience.”

To me this is as good a statement as any that indicates how the local economy and population is irrelevant where the Olympics are concerned. Pitching this as "serving the world" is avoiding admitting that the cost of the Olympics will far outweigh any supposed benefits. An earlier paragraph that noted that hotels (most of which are not locally owned) do well while other businesses suffer sounds like another dismissal of the negative local impact. What was included in the "other businesses" remark? Local businesses which do not have the political pull to resist loosing their stores to eminent domain needed for constructing an Olympic Village? It's ironic that a paragon of capitalist philosophy such as Mitt would advocate a position that accepts economic loss because "serving the world" is somehow better than jobs lost from businesses that suffer.

In their explorations will these rich and powerful captains of industry and government sign a contract promising to pay for any economic losses to local businesses? Will they pay the billions needed for transportation infrastructure improvement? The T (via Mass government) still owes billions for the Big Dig construction. Will the self appointed leaders of the city pay down that debt? Are they willing to personally be responsible for the costs to city and the Commonwealth if the various profit centers of sponsorship and ticket sales fail to pay the final cost of hosting the Olympics? Or is what is motivating these wise leaders actually a the question of how to replace the massive trough that the Big Dig provided for several years to builders who saw the Commonwealth as a cash cow to fund their businesses?

The chief of Putnam mentions there is not inconsiderable land where the Olympic Village could be built. Is he thinking of tearing down Back Bay and build an Olympic village there?

The whole thing sounds like a con job. From Mitt's highfalutin serve the world to specious claims of vast land just waiting for development into an Olympic Village to the Commonwealth paying for a stadium for Bob Kraft (and to the person who whined that Kraft contributes to Democrats in Mass, well duh. Like contributing to Republicans here would do him good?) resonate with self-serving arguments - the rest of the city be damned.

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Let's look at venues, population, etc.

And consider that Montreal finally paid off the bonds for the 1976 olympics a year or two ago. Yep. That long.

Montreal 1976 1,649,519
Moscow 1980 11,503,501
LA 1984 3,857,799
Seoul 1988 10,442,426
Barcelona 1992 1,620,943
Atlanta 1996 443,775
Sydney 2000 4,627,345
Athens 2004 4,013,368
Beijing 2008 20,693,000
London 2012 8,308,369
Boston 2024 bid 636,479

THE POINT: Boston is too small a city to mount a successful bid and Olympics. Even if you disregard the vast problems the area has shown with actually following through on large events and large construction projects, we don't have nearly enough local or regional population to pull this off.

Forget about it. Seriously. It isn't going to happen. The smallest cities on this list, Atlanta (which has a larger metro area population by far than Boston) and Montreal struggled tremendously to pull off the games and finance the venues and pay off the debts.

This is megacity territory. Hands down. We have no business attempting this.

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It would be Boston plus Cambridge, Somerville, possibly Brookline, Newton, Watertown, Waltham, Medford, Revere, etc.

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That's true. Who knows how far away venues would be? Maybe sailing would be in Buzzards Bay or the Cape where there's more reliable wind. When Atlanta hosted, the sailing was in Savannah, 3-4 hours away from Atlanta. Yeah, Boston would be the host city, but you could really call them the MA olympics.

But still, way too much money for me. Big Dig x 10.

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This was not a comment about SPACE but a comment about RESOURCES. Even if you look at the metro area or the whole state, the tax base is simply not adequate to pull this off without much lingering debt ... and then there is the problem that MA can't manage big projects or events on time and on budget.

The cities with the smallest metro areas on this list are the ones that had bigtime problems completing construction and paying off debt (Atlanta and Montreal). Munich and Barcelona are small but enjoyed considerable national government input to their resources - not something MA can count on.

Metro Atlanta is bigger than Metro Boston and still struggled with debt and construction resources. Montreal just finished paying off the debt - they have a slightly smaller metro area - and, like Boston, have a long history of not being able to launch and complete projects on time and on budget for many of the same cultural reasons.

Again, Boston AND its metro area are far too small to support such an effort without major financial and logistical issues. It IS that simple. Chicago is pretty much minimum size these days to pull it off.

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While this sounds pro-Olympics. I'm not making an endorsement Boston should make a go and if successful, host the Olympics.

To me, it's rather hard to make a call as don't know true probably scenarios to make a call which would lead to a better-off Boston (a large reason for me is to me, if we don't do an Olympics, despite recent developments, I have major doubts even part of such investments would be used more wisely for the interests of our city).

That said, I am commentating because I like arguments that doesn't have holes to me. And while I'm not sure Olympics is good for Boston, your population argument seems disingenuous. I mean, it's a common counterpoint I read here before and other forums that Boston's low population is offset that Boston's de jure borders does not cover the Boston "hub" (AKA Metro) area. The common refrain of how Boston only had a relatively small annexation phase hemmed in by the ocean with the proud statement of the massive engineering of land reclamation just to build the amount of land Boston do have. Along with other lines like how Boston manages to punch above its weight while cities like San Antonio (almost 1.4 million) with twice population have so much less international and national mind space (like the NBA considers the Spurs a small market team grinds their teeth at all the success at making to the championship over larger markets including Boston).

To accept your point at face value means throwing out that counterpoint used every time question Boston being so small in population. If not ignoring those points, the more fairer comparisons (with land size then roughly more equal) is to measure by Metro Boston which clocks at around 1.5 million and/or "Greater Boston" (495 belt) at ~4 million.

Then there's also the wealth factor (and a major reason why Boston manages to be far more visible than a city like San Antonio).

Granted, those numbers only puts Boston into Montreal's area. But, again I'm not making an argument we should host or not. Just we can't make arguments that Boston 600k population does not reflect our true level of influence and abilities while also raise our hands saying we're too small when the discussion turns to something like the Olympics.

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... is there any evidence that hosting the summer olympics has actually provided a net benefit to any city during the past couple of decades. Yes, one can point to some civic improvements (a new stadium or two) -- but has any olympics made a sustained improvement in the life of the residents of any host city. Nothing _I've_ read over the years has really shown real lasting benefits (that exceed costs).

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All of these other cities have metropolitan areas, too.

Many also enjoyed strong national subsidies - we would not.

Atlanta and Montreal suffered huge debts, construction overruns, etc. You weren't alive, probably, and certainly weren't around when the full folly of the Montreal Olympics came to light - poor construction meant the village could not be recycled; massive debt that has only recently been paid off 40 years later!

This is what happens when areas with relatively low populations try to run a Summer Olympics.

Add in the state's legendary incompetence with large projects (which is why 93 Fast 14 was entirely controlled by a FHWA-appointed oversight contractor) and this begins to smell like a giant boondoggle that will put us at the mercy of crooked contractors - many the same as those responsible for massive cost overruns on the Big Dig - and a bill that we will have to pay for until 2060.

Think about that - paying for this until 2060 or later ... more than 40 years.

Hosting a Summer Olympics requires a much larger tax base - that's simply a historical fact. I'm sorry if you lack that perspective, but it is clearly evident from the experience of many years of these events.

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My point again is you can't compare by population without qualifying Boston's relative wealth and land area. Comparing Metro Boston versus Metro other city is a fairer comparison than just Boston alone. Like I said above, we can't both use the counterargument of our unusual land de jure borders doesn't reflect our true size when people talk about Boston's size and then also raise our hand saying we're to small when it comes to the Olympics. To use Boston's population within our 45 sq miles versus how the other cities has ~100-200 sq miles is a disingenuous comparison. At least without noting that aspect.

Again, I'm not saying Boston should host an Olympics. Just arguing of using the population citation as an argument that we shouldn't/couldn't.

Now you're changing to an economic aspect from a population aspect. Related, but still different.

If you want my economic opinion, I'm a numbers person and if the numbers calculates that we'll be painfully in debt to 2060 for a crazy 2 weeks and a new stadium, then yeah screw the Olympics. But if we're to ask economic questions, then have to ask what are the factors to the costs in the Olympics. I'm sorry if you lack even looking up Wikipedia on "Cost of the Olympics games". In irony to where you think I'm going, but just about every recent city felt the pain regardless of size. The historical numbers seems to say the Olympics most sucked for any city, regardless of tax base. Athens is hemorrhaging even worse than Montreal regardless of its size. Beijing got plenty of a hangover despite having 20 million people. The real factor seems to be the management (which looking at Boston's recent history, not confidence boosting). Population is a factor, but you need to also factor examples like Athens building 30 new venues and no one to use it after.

But in a balance view, I can hear out counterarguments including cities allegedly economically successful. Also consider scenarios where we it could make it work. Remember that I said I like CSX railyard? Well another part of why I like it is it gives more hope than the others. Like a scenario where Harvard would come in and help. And if Harvard announces tomorrow that it help with part of its $30 billion dollar endowment, I would not still be clinging to our tax base size. Is this likely to happen? Probably not. But I'm not dismissing the Olympics until I hear how Boston would fund it and who/how is doing this.

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Just to remind us that many truck drivers unfamiliar with local roads would be adding traffic to Storrow and Memorial Drives among others during the Olympics and years of construction before it. Boston could set the new Olympic record for traffic snarls, a missing sport in the records.

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