Police say officer fires at gunman outside Lee School
UPDATE: The Herald reports the suspect pointed a gun at the officer, but did not fire.
Police are looking for a man they say pointed a gun at an officer around 11 p.m. outside the Lee K-8 School on Talbot Avenue in Dorchester. The officer fired at the man, then chased him to a fence at the cemetery behind the school, which the man jumped and escaped.
Police recovered a black jacket and a silver handgun on the school's basketball court.
Police set up a perimeter around the cemetery to let police dogs hunt for the suspect, described as black, 19 or 20 and wearing a black half mask and a black hoodie. At 11:56 p.m., however, a sweep of the cemetery ended without dogs or officers finding the suspect.
Police brought in additional units from other parts of the city to help in the search. The officer was taken to the hospital for observation.
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No wonder Police are a little
No wonder Police are a little itchy fingered sometimes
Time For A Die In To Support the BPD
Attention Everyone who keeps blocking traffic in Cambridge and Boston. Please stage your next die in at the site of this shooting. Everyone's Lives Matter you know.
Get on at Central Square, take the train marked Ashmont and keep taking it after JFK UMass for a few stops. Don't be scared. It is still Boston, though you have never been there. The natives are friendly for the most part and speak good, if accented English. You can get off at Shawmut and walk up Centre Street, through Codman Square up to the Lee.
You may also alight at Ashmont, pretend you are Magellan and that you have "discovered" the Ashmont Grill or all the big houses on Ashmont Hill that look just like Observatory Hill, and walk up Talbot or take the 22. Our JP friends can also pick up the 22 at Jackson Square.
For those of you biking to the event, drivers on Blue Hill Avenue are very considerate of bicyclists. Please be sure to ride two abreast. It is the law you know.
Good luck. Have fun. If you cannot organize this today, perhaps you can do one when the majority of you get back from winter break. Merry Christmas.
please do expand on your hood
please do expand on your hood pass......ill wait
Hood Pass?
Now that you have waited, Is there some kind of special right I need to walk through Dot? Are you kidding me? I didn't know this was 1970's South Africa.
Tell you what, and I have been told it is cute despite my middle age, you can kiss my Hood Pass anytime you want. Turds like you and their attitude (and terrible punctuation) are the reasons why I moved out of the hood.
Next time you saunter by the Lee, and its really shallow pool, go inside and brush up on that 8th grade education of yours.
Johnny boy, when did uhub
Johnny boy, when did uhub forums become collegiate level writing classes? didnt realize i needed to be on my best literary behavior and put my all in ensuring proper syntax and grammar, oh wait you were just using that as a deflection since you have nothing else to retort with. you sad man. im glad you vented
Who mentioned "hood pass" first?
Not Johnny, that's for sure. The user name is "anon (not verified)" which is the same as yours.
Costello is just noting that there are people in certain quarters who get all riled up over things that don't really affect them (i.e. white suburban college kids who attend Boston area universities) but haven't even been anywhere near where most violence occurs in the City of Boston. He is OFD, and as he notes he got out when things started to get bad. If you lived in Boston up to perhaps the 1990s (with the possible exception of West Roxbury, which is a different world altogether) even if you are "mac na hÉireann" like I assume Costello to be, you dealt with violence at least tangentially. I've been in a car with a Norfolk Bull, had a classmate stomped at Ashmont for accidentally stepping on a new pair of Air Jordan, and I remember when Marty Walsh was shot, though I was told that Scott Simonelli was shot at the time rather than Marty.
Other people have answered the question of reaction to black on black crime quite well, though the question of responses by the collegiate crowd to the same thing is still unanswered. Perhaps some of them will be able to obtain this pass to which you refer and see what is going on in the Dot.
black on black crime
lets face it, white on white crime is a much bigger problem... but no one ever talks about that.
Bigger problem for white people
Which is kind of ignored.
Especially crooked white finance industry executives...
... on working whites (and every other variety of "ordinary" people) crime.
I was thinking violent crime
With black people thinking that law enforcement is their number one fear when a violent death is thought of and with white people obsessed with meeting their demise at the hand of some black gang member, what is forgotten is that when it comes to murder, the crime is remarkably segregated. Even taking domestic violence out (which is a huge source), one is more likely to be killed by someone who they know, which means that unless you live a Benetton life or run with one of those gangs only seen in movies where there is a white guy, a black guy, an Asian guy, and a Hispanic guy, you have very little to worry as far as other races go.
White collar crime affects us all.
I was being snarky...
... whites on white violent crime seems to be too uninteresting for much press coverage, unless the details are lurid enough to "warrant" coverage mania.
Hood pass?
Hood pass?
Instead of telling others
Instead of telling others when and how to protest, man up and do it yourself. They believe in something and acted, you sit at your computer with cheap bravado and do nothing.
Sometimes
Sometimes you don't need to block main traffic arteries around the city to make a point or two.
yup
Blocking traffic should be punishable by death.
Get over yourself.
There are bigger issues at play here. Thousands of people have come out and "blocked traffic" because obviously they felt strongly about something.
Why don't you pull your head out of your ass and think about what it is they were blocking traffic for.
Thank you
Thank you, Cappy, for being another exquisite example of a complete fool who has no other way of responding to a differing opinion without name-calling and insults.
Please explain
What is the point being made when roads are being blocked twice a day by people wearing large metal objects?
Pre- Emptive
Knowing you would never acknowledge the point. Moron.
Time For A Die In To Support the BPD- Think about the children
OMG Are you serious...
I hope they do know this is a SCHOOL where kids from K-8 attend. Many may not be aware of what is going around in the world today. And certain behavior may scare these children not to mention this also take place in a tight community that are not used to seeing certain activities, despite it being in Dorchester.
If this does take place I hope the children safety is considered and thought of, And its NOT being done when children are around, interrupting their education and making them uncomfortable and scared to return to school. There is always way to support one another without affecting, endangering, harming, traumatizing others especially Children..
Organize one, then
Or just go away.
Maybe we need more of our tax
Maybe we need more of our tax dollars to go towards school administration interrupting education for a permission slip granted public school protest/art project for 8-12 year olds to teach them not to trust police based on anecdotal reaction rather than facts. I mean, is MA a Common Core state? If so they already teach based on emotion and feelings rather than facts so it'd be an easy lateral.
Children from the Lee school
Children from the Lee school had their Owen protest last week.
Wonder what would have been
Wonder what would have been the spin if the officer shot the man.
Orange Line
Between Green and Jackson was covered in anti-police graffiti including "They take 1 of ours, we take 2 of theirs."
Peaceful protesters!
Like you
They write about it.
Original post updated
Police say the guy did not fire at the officer, but did point a gun at him. I've updated the post with that.
He is still justified. (Not
He is still justified. (Not saying you're saying he isn't). He did everything police officers are trained to do, and gets to go home now.
Agreed, and maybe off topic here...
I still can't believe the officer in NYC yesterday did not fire a shot. He got lucky that the suspect's gun jammed.
Full Story
This is not a story about an attempted assassination of a police officer like the one by a mentally ill person in NYC. The BPD responded to a break-in in progress and when they confronted the perp he pulled a gun on them, at which point the responding officer took a shot at him (justifiably so in my opinion), and he dropped his gun and fled. There is a big difference between what happened in NYC and this. That said, it does show what a dangerous job the BPD have and the difficulty of deciding when to use force and at what level.
Mentally ill person in NYC.
Was he your patient? Or have you reviewed his medical charts?
Were the people in NYC applauding the murders also mentally ill?
I can read
Not sure where you are coming from. I am not his physician nor have I seen his medical charts, but I am able to read. Having read the article reporting that he was taking medication, had been under the care of mental health experts, and at one time had been confined to an institution, I came to the reasonable conclusion that he was mentally ill. I can't tell if you would prefer that this person was not mentally ill and, rather, this was the beginning of something larger or whether you are one of those people who fears that highlighting the mental health problems of many of the people involved in this kind of public atrocity (e.g. recent school shootings, etc.) is disparaging of all mentally ill people. As to anyone who was applauding the murders, though I have not seen any reports of that actually happening, they may or may not be mentally ill, but they are terrible people.
This is not a snark
But why don't those who gratuitously protest volunteer to patrol a housing project, overnight, say on a Friday and over the weekend? They can respond to reports of young men with guns or robbing and pistol whipping people, hustling, ect. I'm sure if you walk up to them with a smile and show them proper respect, there won't be any problems. Maybe you could invite them over to your place and offer them fair trade organic coffee or tea. It's worth a try.
OK, the last part was sarcasm.
You do realize there are two separate issues here, right?
Police violence against black people and violence in black neighborhoods are not necessarily related issues.
And to suggest that untrained people effectively go on police patrols in high-crime areas is not going to solve anything.
Tell that to the Guardian
Tell that to the Guardian Angels
are they even a thing anymore
are they even a thing anymore? your old age is showing bro
They were in Boston
A few years ago.
I find it odd that just last
I find it odd that just last night stacos had reported that the suspect had fired the first shots when in fact he hadn't even fired a single shot. Did the policeman on scene radio in that he had been shot at?
Initial gunfire report
Was a very confusing situation, as you might imagine. Both Stacos and I were listening to it on the scanner. Initially, you heard an officer radio "foot chase!" followed quickly by "gunfire!"
A little while later, I heard a commander mention "303" and called for "notifications" - which basically means the officer had fired his gun (303 is the BPD regulation related to officer use of deadly force).
So when I went to sleep, my post here still said something like "Man with gun, police officer exchange shots." Other news outlets ran similar items.
This morning, police said no, the guy did not fire at the officer.
Question for you -
Adam, I'm not trying to antagonize you at all, but do you ever think that maybe it isn't in the public's best interest to immediately report what you are hearing on the scanner. Officer safety is my chief concern (yes, I am related to BPD).
I think the problem is more on Twitter. I've seen Stacos tweet about car chases, and then quote the patrol supervisors calling off the chase. I know for a fact that there is a criminal element that follows your account on Twitter as well as his, and I'm worried that they will become a little too familiar with how the BPD operates. I think this particular story is a good example of events that got reported that just simply didn't happen. I'm worried of the impact that COULD have on the officer's who actually are on scene, risking their lives for us.
Good question
First, why I do it at all, since any real police-beat reporter will tell you never just repeat what you hear on the scanner: I'm trying to answer the "why did ten cruisers just tear up Washington Street" (or whatever) question. People always ask that question and I really started trying to answer it a few years ago, when I couldn't get across Washington Street in Roslindale, because the street was blocked - at rush hour - there were cruisers everywhere, there was even a helicopter overhead and yet MSM never wrote anything about it (turned out two kids got shot).
That having been said, I do try to be a bit cautious on Twitter, and I don't know that I'm giving out any "trade secrets," certainly nothing that somebody couldn't just as easily find out on their own. I don't give out exact street addresses anymore for the most part, I don't report on initial broadcasts from dispatchers (who are just relaying what the public is telling the 911 call takers and those callers can be wrong and sometimes even malicious).
Yes, I got a key bit of information on last night's events wrong - the guy did not fire his gun - for which I apologize. In addition to other initial media reports, even State Police got that wrong - they tweeted they'd sent a helicopter to Dorchester to look for a "shooting suspect." As soon as I found out what had happened, I corrected the post.
When they catch this guy
If he goes to a grand jury and they let him go, then those of you calling for a protest might have a point.
This was a perfect example of things happening as they should. The cop didn't fire at and kill a guy who was unarmed and just happened to spook him. He shot at a suspect holding a gun.
This is not equatable to all of the police brutality protests out there. To say that we need the equivalent protests in favor of cops is absurd. Are cops not getting justice in the courts? Are cops dying while their killers walk? Do we allow cop killers to use lethal force and then refuse to hold them to a higher standard with that public trust?
If you're making these arguments "in favor of cops" as an attempt to connote a hypocrisy on the part of those who want all police to be held to a higher standard of behavior, then you don't understand their protests. You have bought into this "us versus them" mentality that pervades today's politics. Cops and black people aren't rival sports teams. They don't need a cheering section. Grow up.