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When do they change the name to Downtown Collection?

The Herald reports the city is trying to get rid of ugly signage in Downtown Crossing as it tries to turn the area into an upscale residential mall. The Globe, meanwhile, reports the city is trying to get rid of ugly punk kids as it tries to turn the area into an upscale residential mall.

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That must be what makes Times Square so appealing. The conformity of signage and lack of "carte blanche"

I love the comments in the articles. Especially the Herald's "related" article on Truancy.

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The proposed changes would set maximum sizes for new signs and their lettering, and would ban several sign types and all flags except for the U.S. flag.

Store flags, for one, have been around since the turn of the 20th century. How terrible to want to do away with them.

The last thing we need is for Downtown Crossing to turn into another Newbury Street with its strictly controlled upscale aesthetics and neighborhood busybodies with nothing better to do than to wage war against newspaper boxes and sandwich boards.

Geez.

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When do they change the name to Downtown Collection?

When all the stores close because nobody wants to come into the city to get yet another Plaza Generica, there will be plenty of foreclosures and collection activity.

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This is terrible, lets take away the one last area in the downtown area with even a tiny bit of character. Does the BRA even realize that Boston is a City?

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I think I pulled a muscle laughing at these two paragraphs from the globe article:

Students are known to move from one corner to the next. The management company that runs the Food Court on Washington Street has resorted to blasting classical music to annoy and eventually repel teenagers who like more modern music. Other businesses simply ask teenagers to move, and they welcome the police presence.

Oh those kids with their rock and roll and their hippity hoppity!

Maureen White, a 61-year-old from Connecticut, recently returned to the area where her mother worked on Summer Street decades ago, but the businesses she recalled were no longer there. She thought of heading to the corner were she used to buy muffins, but a friend advised her not to stray from the main road. "Hold your pocketbook like this, walk fast, and turn your rings around," the friend told her.

Oh for the love of crepes it's not Detroit. I walk through here every day and sure, the roving teenagers can be intimidating at times but turn your rings around? Don't stray from the main road? Please. Go back to Norwood and Needham and walk around with your hundred dollar bills flapping out of your pockets.

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I was disappointed taht my office moved off of Chauncy Street because I have to go out of my way to get to Fallafel King now...when I do get over there, the last thin I am thinking is that I am scared...the only bothersome thing about DTX is the damn chuggers.

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Try the Chinese hair, it's delicious!

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How many decades ago are we talking about? If she is 61, then it is probably not more than three or four! That era was when all the buildings were filthy and blackened with sooty slop, right? When a guy couldn't even leave his city hall office without getting attacked with a flag? When you could buy illegal fireworks in a remote maze of alleyways while a uniformed BPD officer kept silent watch? Where you could have a good time pointing out what a drug deal looks like to the freshmen who came with you? Yeah, things were so much safer then.

I first encountered DTX when shopping for stuff as a student in 1984. It was much sketchier then, IMHO. Back then, if you strayed too far from the Jordan Marsh and Filene's area, you were in for some ripe sleaze. People that I lived with at MIT were mugged over by Old South, or had their backpacks slashed open and their stuff stolen while they stood in line for tokens at Park Street. If you went shopping downtown, you had to keep alert for dark places (and there were a LOT of dark places then because streetlamp maintenance wasn't a city priority) and people getting too near to you.

Now I work downtown. All I can say is that in all my time in Boston, I've hardly known the area to be LESS freaky and more safe than it is now.

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does anyone remember stairway to heaven? i think it was on bromfield? dtc was a lively exciting place back in the 80's. there was always the element of danger.its where all the kids from all the different sections of the city encountered each other.i do remember buying fireworks in alleys in chinatown. the trick was to not get mugged by the chinese kids.they would steal the fireworks back. we figured it out after a while and would go in groups.i remember the strawberries on washington with that crazy elevator at the back.i got in that elevator with some scary characters.never sure if you'd make it to the top floor. stairway to heaven was the place to buy iron maiden tshirts and feathered roach clips.the last few times i walked around down there it felt like it had lost it soul.dont even get me started about harvard square!

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Downtown Crossing may be better than it was during the heydey of the old Combat Zone, but it's still a downright dark, sketchy, and desolate place to travel. Mayor Menino can offer all of the tax breaks he wants but doesn't he understand that nobody wants to shop in an area where you practically trip over homeless people in order to enter a store? Downtown Crossings may have had a heralded past of being an urban shopping destination but with low-scale national chains, it's nothing more than a glorified suburban shopping mall. The stores moving into DTX are clearly targeted towards teenagers who believe it or not are part of the city as well. Since the City of Boston clearly has no other viable social activity for teenagers to engage in after school (and for the record, teenagers have been hanging out at malls since the dawn of time), let them have Downtown Crossing complete with H & M and food courts that blast hip hop.

Menino is living in a dream world if he thinks that upscale shops are going to move into an area plagued with urban blight, especially in an economic recession. Keep the police presence around to prevent DTX from becoming Lord of the Flies. The rest of us can spend our money at one of the other 5 trillion shopping centers in and around Boston.

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