Students are welcome to keep the religious abstention and find another school to attend. If asked why they aren't going back to NEU, they can explain their religion forbids it.
Two funny things about this mandate are 1) vaccine for teenagers only got authorized (not even approved) yesterday and 2) a young, healthy person who caught COVID and recovered from COVID has little (if any) use for a vaccine, but NEU's policy doesn't account for that.
On December 11, 2020, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for emergency use of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID‑19 Vaccine for the prevention of COVID-19 for individuals 16 years of age and older
J&J and Moderna's vaccines are currently authorized for 18 up, so yeah for now we only have Pfizer for the 16 and 17 year olds, but we don't have a whole lot of students under the age of 16 coming into the university, so it's a non-issue in this discussion.
My mistake, the teenager-authorization was a state restriction not FDA restriction I read about.
But the point about naturally acquired vs. vaccine immunity still applies. These are cold viruses, not acne. People generally don't get the same cold twice. No citation needed - it's common sense. Also there aren't any citations proving the opposite, according to the current CDC guidance.
Also you do realize that while Janssen has side effects as mild as a flu shot, the Moderna/Pfizer vaccines have severe side effects, right? By vaccinating people who already recovered from COVID, you're demanding to knock them out for 2-3 days for no compelling reason.
But the point about naturally acquired vs. vaccine immunity still applies. These are cold viruses, not acne. People generally don't get the same cold twice. No citation needed - it's common sense.
Getting COVID-19 may offer some natural protection, known as immunity. Current evidence suggests that reinfection with the virus that causes COVID-19 is uncommon in the 90 days after initial infection. However, experts don’t know for sure how long this protection lasts, and the risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19 far outweighs any benefits of natural immunity. COVID-19 vaccination will help protect you by creating an antibody (immune system) response without having to experience sickness.
By vaccinating people who already recovered from COVID, you're demanding to knock them out for 2-3 days...
More unsourced anti-vax propaganda from an easily-debunked right-wing talking point machine.
Per CDC:
Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. Even if you have already recovered from COVID-19, it is possible—although rare—that you could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 again.
rhinoviruses, coronaviruses, influenza viruses, adenoviruses, and others. So it's not incorrect to say that it's "a cold virus"... just maybe not all that relevant since the immunity might be different for those different groups.
Repeating stupid things over and over never makes them true.
It just makes you look stupid.
That said, ALL MA COLLEGES require proof of vaccination. UMass requires the full suite of childhood vaccinations PLUS meningitis vaccination to attend. My son was late getting his meningitis jab due to mono and had to have it done by the family doc before he could go back for spring semester.
COVID-19 vaccination will be state mandated for all college students in the fall.
Colleges are required by law to enforce the mandatory vaccination. This has been true for over 20 years. I was almost 40 and had to dig out my military and hospital work vaccination records when they started enforcing this.
My wife was doing a graduate program at MCP and had to get her records from overseas after having been here for 15 years, she wasn’t living in a dorm just with other professionals mainly. If you don’t like the rules go to Florida.
I don’t think religious exemptions should ever be allowed - esp for someone from out of state or country, if my pagan worshipping wacko roomie says his religion allows him to wave his privates around does that make it ok? Let’s not be idiots and confuse freedom of religion with freedom to be an idiot.
1. Definitely wrong. Although the Moderna and J&J vaccines are not approved for teenagers under the age of 18, the Pfizer one has been approved for 16 and 17 year olds since December. I'm sure a special exception can be made for any 14 or 15 year old Northeastern students.
2. Also wrong. Other coronvirus diseases are known to seasonally re-infect. Preliminary data show that SARS-CoV-2 is likely similar, with any natural immunity waning significantly after 5-6 months. We don't know for sure, but there are good reasons to make sure that even people who have recovered from COVID are vaccinated — "little (if any) use" is not at all correct.
International students from countries that might not have as plentiful a supply of vaccine can still come, but the school will help them get a shot.
Ummm.... wouldn't that be a requirement to get in the country in the first place? Mandating vaccination (or at least proof thereof) as part of border control? ...or am I being naive?
Which way is the wind blowing with student visas these days? Internationals "definitely going home over summer break to not risk overstaying a visa" or "definitely not going home over summer break to avoid risk of not being let back in"?
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You are missing a word from your headline...
Indeed
Fixed, thanks.
The religious exemption
has got to go.
God Damn Right!
Students are welcome to keep the religious abstention and find another school to attend. If asked why they aren't going back to NEU, they can explain their religion forbids it.
What religion forbids vaccination?
Even Christian 'Science' doesn't tell people to avoid vaccinations
Two funny things about this
Two funny things about this mandate are 1) vaccine for teenagers only got authorized (not even approved) yesterday and 2) a young, healthy person who caught COVID and recovered from COVID has little (if any) use for a vaccine, but NEU's policy doesn't account for that.
Yeah, you're a funny guy
And?
Unsubstantiated bullshit and wishful thinking.
Your ass should be kicked off this site for spreading vaccine disinformation.
Yup, citations absolutely
Yup, citations absolutely needed here.
Point #1 is patently absurd in this context.
J&J and Moderna's vaccines are currently authorized for 18 up, so yeah for now we only have Pfizer for the 16 and 17 year olds, but we don't have a whole lot of students under the age of 16 coming into the university, so it's a non-issue in this discussion.
https://www.fda.gov/media/144412/download
My mistake, the teenager
My mistake, the teenager-authorization was a state restriction not FDA restriction I read about.
But the point about naturally acquired vs. vaccine immunity still applies. These are cold viruses, not acne. People generally don't get the same cold twice. No citation needed - it's common sense. Also there aren't any citations proving the opposite, according to the current CDC guidance.
Also you do realize that while Janssen has side effects as mild as a flu shot, the Moderna/Pfizer vaccines have severe side effects, right? By vaccinating people who already recovered from COVID, you're demanding to knock them out for 2-3 days for no compelling reason.
The point being...
The point being, your "common sense" is absolute horseshit.
Take a damn seat.
What the fuck are you talking
What the fuck are you talking about?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html
More lies
More unsourced anti-vax propaganda from an easily-debunked right-wing talking point machine.
Per CDC:
You're confusing rhinovirus
for coronavirus.
"Colds" are caused by
rhinoviruses, coronaviruses, influenza viruses, adenoviruses, and others. So it's not incorrect to say that it's "a cold virus"... just maybe not all that relevant since the immunity might be different for those different groups.
You know what?
Repeating stupid things over and over never makes them true.
It just makes you look stupid.
That said, ALL MA COLLEGES require proof of vaccination. UMass requires the full suite of childhood vaccinations PLUS meningitis vaccination to attend. My son was late getting his meningitis jab due to mono and had to have it done by the family doc before he could go back for spring semester.
COVID-19 vaccination will be state mandated for all college students in the fall.
Colleges are required by law to enforce the mandatory vaccination. This has been true for over 20 years. I was almost 40 and had to dig out my military and hospital work vaccination records when they started enforcing this.
Vaccines are and should be mandatory
My wife was doing a graduate program at MCP and had to get her records from overseas after having been here for 15 years, she wasn’t living in a dorm just with other professionals mainly. If you don’t like the rules go to Florida.
I don’t think religious exemptions should ever be allowed - esp for someone from out of state or country, if my pagan worshipping wacko roomie says his religion allows him to wave his privates around does that make it ok? Let’s not be idiots and confuse freedom of religion with freedom to be an idiot.
wrong
1. Definitely wrong. Although the Moderna and J&J vaccines are not approved for teenagers under the age of 18, the Pfizer one has been approved for 16 and 17 year olds since December. I'm sure a special exception can be made for any 14 or 15 year old Northeastern students.
2. Also wrong. Other coronvirus diseases are known to seasonally re-infect. Preliminary data show that SARS-CoV-2 is likely similar, with any natural immunity waning significantly after 5-6 months. We don't know for sure, but there are good reasons to make sure that even people who have recovered from COVID are vaccinated — "little (if any) use" is not at all correct.
Hey, its the guy who thinks white supremacy isn't hate speech!
Maybe consider refraining from posting until you actually know what you're talking about?
That could take years.
And that's being optimistic.
International students from
Ummm.... wouldn't that be a requirement to get in the country in the first place? Mandating vaccination (or at least proof thereof) as part of border control? ...or am I being naive?
Which way is the wind blowing with student visas these days? Internationals "definitely going home over summer break to not risk overstaying a visa" or "definitely not going home over summer break to avoid risk of not being let back in"?
Covid testing is currently required...
...vaccination, not yet.
Per State Dept.
thank you
thank you
Religious objection is a choice.
They can stay home and learn online.
There is no reason to allow them to put people with medical issues at risk.