I'm literally doing a project that read the entire Jewish Bible straight through, over the course of 3 1/2 years. Nowhere have I seen anything about not getting a vaccine. Perhaps it's in the New Testament tho?
Assuming she had a true adverse reaction that was documented by a provider, as this seems to state, wouldn't she potentially have a decent case for them not providing a disability exemption? There is ADA case law and technical guidance around people's medical conditions not necessarily presenting in a textbook manner, and generally when someone has provided documentation, an employer doesn't get to do the whole "well, X isn't listed in the official symptomatology of what you claim to have" or "but you're able to do Y sometimes so that means you are able to do it consistently."
Because the argument she's trying to make that Jesus approved of her first shot but not her second one doesn't seem to really hold water/wine/whatever.
I'm a biology PhD, work at a hospital, got the first Pfizer COVID shots early in the healthcare worker wave, and have been "turbo boosting" since 2021 with a total count of 9 based on my own perusal of published data showing antibodies waning within a few months. I've been getting my annual flu shot every year since I was a kid. All that is to provide the bona fides necessary to make the following statement without being immediately dismissed:
For an unpredictable minority of people, vaccine injury in general is a very real thing and needs to be accommodated medically. I fully believe some people experienced severe adverse reactions from the mRNA COVID shots. Based on the symptoms in this post, it sounds like an immune system overreaction that caused widespread inflammation. Some COVID patients have similar things happen as the result of a cytokine storm.
I thought I had received every shot I am eligible for, and I have 7 --the first two in spring of 2021, then boosters or updates in fall 2021, spring 2022, fall 2022, spring 2023, and fall 2023.
After the next one, whenever that is, there won't be any more room on the (second) CDC card.
Even before the first booster was widely authorized, it was approved for people with some kind of immunodeficiency, including temporarily from taking medications like steroids for asthma. Identifying to the pharmacist that you met those conditions was generally sufficient. Alternatively, most states did not share records, and a lot of the northeast is a quick drive.
Vaccine cards have gone digital, so that healthcare centers have people's vaccines on record.
I got all 8 Moderna Covid-19 vaccines, including the 2023-2024 Moderna vaccine, in October 2023. From what I heard, there won't be anymore Covid-19 vaccines until the fall of 2024.
It's a good thing your education taught you that diagnosing someone for vaccine injury based on a UHub post of a lawsuit filing isn't a valid diagnosis, eh?
As a "bioinformatics PhD", let's leave the doctoring to the MDs to figure out what she has and if she wants to provide evidence to the court from an MD who diagnosed her with vaccine injury, she will and might even win...but given the fact that she went from "oh, it hurt me" to "oh, my religion says I can't" as soon as the employer pushed back on the first excuse...I'm gonna bet that MD doesn't exist.
Mjolnir didn't say this person *definitely* had a strong adverse reaction to the vaccine. They said that this sort of thing happens sometimes. And you don't have to have a bio PhD to know that -- it's basic health literacy that some people have bad reactions to some medicines. Vaccines aren't some magical exception to that.
If I had a penny for every MD I've interacted with over the last 4 years who clearly had never read a published paper in the Lancet since medical school, I'd have an MD's salary. It's been pretty easy for even a layperson to keep more current with COVID-related science than medical professionals often seem to be. I would hope someone who's been through any PhD program would come out the other end knowing that an appeal to authority like that is a pretty silly argument.
Having even a mild case of Covid-19 itself (i. e. the disease) can increase one's risk of having a heart attack or a stroke, and/or experiencing permanent pulmonary damage as a consequence.
If her problem with the vaccine is that it's artificial, why is she fine with other artificial practices like living in a house instead of a cave, or eating food she didn't hunt or gather personally?
But then why is she now going all GodSquad about it?
This makes no sense. Vaccine reactions and injuries do happen, and people can be allergic to vaccine components ... but she does a 180 degree turn with a double back flip twist in to religion which, frankly, sends the entire lawsuit into the manure spreader.
AND, if she has been a "longtime nurse" she would have been required to be fully vaccinated if she worked for a major hospital. So... what, exactly, is it about this particular vaccine that sent her into paroxysms of gibbering?
If she had a legitimate adverse reaction to the vaccine there would be no reason to try the religious argument.
The hospital concluded that there was no merit to that claim. I would imagine that they had doctors in the hospital weigh in on that determination.
I suppose it would be possible that the hospital management exerted pressure for doctors to come to that conclusion. But then the next logical step for her (and the lawyer advising her) would be to have an independent medical professional examine you and back the claim of an adverse reaction, not to retreat to the religion argument.
It makes no sense to go from a fairly strong claim to a very weak one like she did.
No major recognized religion has edicts preventing people from getting the Covid vaccine - even Christian scientists can make their own decision ( the few I know got it) - now, yes vaccine reactions are real, my sister gets ill from H1N1 oddly - but to hide behind God for a vaccine which probably means she is part of the MAGA crazy crowd - shows this to be fishy.
Forget politics, forget religion - if a cop or a fireman or medical worker refused the vaccine it was usually either to force the union to get something for them, or because they were some woodwork wacko. Military people would take a bullet or die but they won’t get a jab? Get the Hell out.
The pandemic really showed us 1/3 of the country would rather suffer and die and make others suffer vs try to take preventative measures, Covid would probably not be the recurring annoyance and causing more illness if people maybe masked more and places like Florida were cut off from east of the country until their biased ignorant leadership was run out of office.
Americans decided t9 trap the old and the vulnerable at home so they could go out to eat, nice. Hope Applebees was worth it.
If someone doesn't believe in medicine, they shouldn't work in a hospital.
Whatever problems she claims to have suffered from the vaccine should be compared against the unnecessary deaths from the early deadly variants of covid. It's hard to visualize the immensity of the tragedy: 1.1 million deaths in the United States.
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What DOES the Bible say about vaccines?
I'm literally doing a project that read the entire Jewish Bible straight through, over the course of 3 1/2 years. Nowhere have I seen anything about not getting a vaccine. Perhaps it's in the New Testament tho?
Jesus
Assuming she had a true adverse reaction that was documented by a provider, as this seems to state, wouldn't she potentially have a decent case for them not providing a disability exemption? There is ADA case law and technical guidance around people's medical conditions not necessarily presenting in a textbook manner, and generally when someone has provided documentation, an employer doesn't get to do the whole "well, X isn't listed in the official symptomatology of what you claim to have" or "but you're able to do Y sometimes so that means you are able to do it consistently."
Because the argument she's trying to make that Jesus approved of her first shot but not her second one doesn't seem to really hold water/wine/whatever.
Definitely fishy.
n/t
Gods will.
Gods will.
Unfortunate situation
I'm a biology PhD, work at a hospital, got the first Pfizer COVID shots early in the healthcare worker wave, and have been "turbo boosting" since 2021 with a total count of 9 based on my own perusal of published data showing antibodies waning within a few months. I've been getting my annual flu shot every year since I was a kid. All that is to provide the bona fides necessary to make the following statement without being immediately dismissed:
For an unpredictable minority of people, vaccine injury in general is a very real thing and needs to be accommodated medically. I fully believe some people experienced severe adverse reactions from the mRNA COVID shots. Based on the symptoms in this post, it sounds like an immune system overreaction that caused widespread inflammation. Some COVID patients have similar things happen as the result of a cytokine storm.
Seems like a coincidence
That she doesn't believe in vaccines because of her "god-given immunity" and receives a vaccine that happens to cause all these issues.
I'm sure there are people who have severe reactions to vaccines or medication, but this story just feels suspect.
How would anyone prove the vaccine did or did not cause the symptoms they have now?
So, stand on that and don't
So, stand on that and don't bring "God " into it.
Sounds great
Except "God" only got brought in when bureaucrats decided we no longer required informed consent.
What...
...on earth are you talking about?
the implication being
that for some time the vaccine was largely compulsory if you wanted to participate in "normal" social activities
How did you get 9 shots?
I thought I had received every shot I am eligible for, and I have 7 --the first two in spring of 2021, then boosters or updates in fall 2021, spring 2022, fall 2022, spring 2023, and fall 2023.
After the next one, whenever that is, there won't be any more room on the (second) CDC card.
Not that it's relevant...
...but in MA they're no longer updating cards. "It's all online."
Just know how to ask politely
Even before the first booster was widely authorized, it was approved for people with some kind of immunodeficiency, including temporarily from taking medications like steroids for asthma. Identifying to the pharmacist that you met those conditions was generally sufficient. Alternatively, most states did not share records, and a lot of the northeast is a quick drive.
Vaccine cards have gone digital.
Vaccine cards have gone digital, so that healthcare centers have people's vaccines on record.
I got all 8 Moderna Covid-19 vaccines, including the 2023-2024 Moderna vaccine, in October 2023. From what I heard, there won't be anymore Covid-19 vaccines until the fall of 2024.
Well, "biology PhD"
It's a good thing your education taught you that diagnosing someone for vaccine injury based on a UHub post of a lawsuit filing isn't a valid diagnosis, eh?
As a "bioinformatics PhD", let's leave the doctoring to the MDs to figure out what she has and if she wants to provide evidence to the court from an MD who diagnosed her with vaccine injury, she will and might even win...but given the fact that she went from "oh, it hurt me" to "oh, my religion says I can't" as soon as the employer pushed back on the first excuse...I'm gonna bet that MD doesn't exist.
No need to jump down people's throats like that.
Mjolnir didn't say this person *definitely* had a strong adverse reaction to the vaccine. They said that this sort of thing happens sometimes. And you don't have to have a bio PhD to know that -- it's basic health literacy that some people have bad reactions to some medicines. Vaccines aren't some magical exception to that.
I'm getting some partisan-thinking vibes here.
Leave the doctoring to the DOCTORS
If I had a penny for every MD I've interacted with over the last 4 years who clearly had never read a published paper in the Lancet since medical school, I'd have an MD's salary. It's been pretty easy for even a layperson to keep more current with COVID-related science than medical professionals often seem to be. I would hope someone who's been through any PhD program would come out the other end knowing that an appeal to authority like that is a pretty silly argument.
Fox has all the docs you want!
Fox finds these quack doctors all the time!
Even a mild case of Covid-19 itself has its dangers.
Having even a mild case of Covid-19 itself (i. e. the disease) can increase one's risk of having a heart attack or a stroke, and/or experiencing permanent pulmonary damage as a consequence.
If her problem with the
If her problem with the vaccine is that it's artificial, why is she fine with other artificial practices like living in a house instead of a cave, or eating food she didn't hunt or gather personally?
(It's a rhetorical question.)
Wait ... what?
If she had a bad reaction, that's important.
But then why is she now going all GodSquad about it?
This makes no sense. Vaccine reactions and injuries do happen, and people can be allergic to vaccine components ... but she does a 180 degree turn with a double back flip twist in to religion which, frankly, sends the entire lawsuit into the manure spreader.
AND, if she has been a "longtime nurse" she would have been required to be fully vaccinated if she worked for a major hospital. So... what, exactly, is it about this particular vaccine that sent her into paroxysms of gibbering?
Yeah, something is fishy
If she had a legitimate adverse reaction to the vaccine there would be no reason to try the religious argument.
The hospital concluded that there was no merit to that claim. I would imagine that they had doctors in the hospital weigh in on that determination.
I suppose it would be possible that the hospital management exerted pressure for doctors to come to that conclusion. But then the next logical step for her (and the lawyer advising her) would be to have an independent medical professional examine you and back the claim of an adverse reaction, not to retreat to the religion argument.
It makes no sense to go from a fairly strong claim to a very weak one like she did.
Yup!
There is something funny here--and not a ha-ha funny, if one gets the drift.
Freedom and stupidity
No major recognized religion has edicts preventing people from getting the Covid vaccine - even Christian scientists can make their own decision ( the few I know got it) - now, yes vaccine reactions are real, my sister gets ill from H1N1 oddly - but to hide behind God for a vaccine which probably means she is part of the MAGA crazy crowd - shows this to be fishy.
Forget politics, forget religion - if a cop or a fireman or medical worker refused the vaccine it was usually either to force the union to get something for them, or because they were some woodwork wacko. Military people would take a bullet or die but they won’t get a jab? Get the Hell out.
The pandemic really showed us 1/3 of the country would rather suffer and die and make others suffer vs try to take preventative measures, Covid would probably not be the recurring annoyance and causing more illness if people maybe masked more and places like Florida were cut off from east of the country until their biased ignorant leadership was run out of office.
Americans decided t9 trap the old and the vulnerable at home so they could go out to eat, nice. Hope Applebees was worth it.
If someone doesn't believe in
If someone doesn't believe in medicine, they shouldn't work in a hospital.
Whatever problems she claims to have suffered from the vaccine should be compared against the unnecessary deaths from the early deadly variants of covid. It's hard to visualize the immensity of the tragedy: 1.1 million deaths in the United States.