Housing Court is an absolute s-show. Having both parties represented by lawyers makes the process infinitely easier for all involved, including landlords. 99% of the time they'll settle the matter and be done with it.
By Unemployed Northeastern on Thu, 02/01/2024 - 2:26pm.
when the annual cost of attendance even for New England School of Law is over $90,000 (at 8.05% interest on GradPLUS loans!) and the GOP just floated their fourth or fifth proposal in the last eight years to reauthorize the Higher Education Act in a manner that would eliminate most income-based repayment plans (and GradPLUS loans, for that matter), one does wonder just how long any such program would be feasible. The payment rate (for independent lawyers) and/or salary (if the lawyers are hired full-time for this sort of work) would be grossly inadequate to service law school loans from any of Boston/Cambridge's law schools, all of which between $250,000 and $333,000 for three years of tuition and living expenses. That works out to a standard monthly repayment of a couple thousand dollars a month, after taxes, and most state lawyering positions start out somewhere in the $45,000 to $60,000 range. It is ONLY through income-based repayment plans that public service lawyering jobs can be filled,* and the GOP has long been signalling that those plans are toast the next time they control the executive and legislative branches.
And there are at least two SCOTUS justices (Thomas, Gorsuch) who have publicly written about their disdain for Gideon v. Wainwright, which is the case that guarantees counsel for criminal defendants, and I wouldn't be surprised if at least Alito and Roberts could be prodded into that position as well. Things could get a lot worse for the right to counsel for anyone who can't pay out of pocket.
*Honestly it is only through income-based repayment plans that MOST lawyering jobs outside of the Ropes & Grays of the world can be fulfilled; the last analysis I saw (Wall Street Journal, 2021) indicated that two years after graduation only 1 in 3 lawyers have managed to pay down even a dollar of principal. That can basically be read as "Only 1 in 3 law grads makes enough money to afford their standard student loan payment and in a world without income-based repayment plans the other 2 in 3 would likely be in default."
First, this is a proposal. The city isn't paying for anything right now.
Second, Weber specifically said he hoped to include small landlords in the pilot. I mean, good for you if you're worried about the legal bills of landlords with hundreds of units, I guess.
You want more housing. Well people get evicted from their homes when developers by a triple decker, knock it down and put up 6 or 8 luxury condos. So next time you people say build it, remember the people who get displaced.
And their free lawyer ( housing court free lawyer for a day program) ended up paying the the renters portion of owed rent in a subsidized unit I wouldn't have otherwise collected on as part of a last minute agreement to avoid an eviction on their record.
Said tenant's brother illegally moved into the apartment with her, was selling crack and the Boston Police raided the unit. I had to get copies of the police report and supoena gang unit officers to testify in court. Since it was drug related it was an emergency 2 week process to settle in court.
It was stressful and the free lawyer helped move the case along in my experience.
I could see more complex cases dragging out and smaller landlords could loose months worth of rent and possibly their property from extended delays.
So this seems reasonable but will likely end up increasing rents as landlords now need to spend more money to evict tenants that don't pay their rent.
I am a bigger fan of the RAFT program in many eviction cases.
The eviction process for cause simply does not work for anyone except a tenant so I'm glad to see some of this proposal includes representation for small landlords. The misnomer that all property is owned by massive rich careless corporation is simply untrue but it does support the narrative many use to spew hatred to anyone that owns a property.
Even if you have good cause it can take up to a year to evict someone. The ultimate kick in the balls is if you actually get an execution to evict the landlord has to pay to move them or pay to store their belongings. The entire process needs a fresh look.
You are adding every type of eviction to bolster your argument. I spent every Thursday for five years in housing court so I fully understand how it works and have seen just about every story there is. There are criminal repercussions for being a bad landlord yet there are none for being a bad tenant. The system needs an overhaul to protect both side equally from bad players.
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Right to counsel for tenants and small landlor is long overdue.
Thank you, Councilor Weber and all who are working for this.
Housing Court is an absolute
Housing Court is an absolute s-show. Having both parties represented by lawyers makes the process infinitely easier for all involved, including landlords. 99% of the time they'll settle the matter and be done with it.
At a time -
when the annual cost of attendance even for New England School of Law is over $90,000 (at 8.05% interest on GradPLUS loans!) and the GOP just floated their fourth or fifth proposal in the last eight years to reauthorize the Higher Education Act in a manner that would eliminate most income-based repayment plans (and GradPLUS loans, for that matter), one does wonder just how long any such program would be feasible. The payment rate (for independent lawyers) and/or salary (if the lawyers are hired full-time for this sort of work) would be grossly inadequate to service law school loans from any of Boston/Cambridge's law schools, all of which between $250,000 and $333,000 for three years of tuition and living expenses. That works out to a standard monthly repayment of a couple thousand dollars a month, after taxes, and most state lawyering positions start out somewhere in the $45,000 to $60,000 range. It is ONLY through income-based repayment plans that public service lawyering jobs can be filled,* and the GOP has long been signalling that those plans are toast the next time they control the executive and legislative branches.
And there are at least two SCOTUS justices (Thomas, Gorsuch) who have publicly written about their disdain for Gideon v. Wainwright, which is the case that guarantees counsel for criminal defendants, and I wouldn't be surprised if at least Alito and Roberts could be prodded into that position as well. Things could get a lot worse for the right to counsel for anyone who can't pay out of pocket.
*Honestly it is only through income-based repayment plans that MOST lawyering jobs outside of the Ropes & Grays of the world can be fulfilled; the last analysis I saw (Wall Street Journal, 2021) indicated that two years after graduation only 1 in 3 lawyers have managed to pay down even a dollar of principal. That can basically be read as "Only 1 in 3 law grads makes enough money to afford their standard student loan payment and in a world without income-based repayment plans the other 2 in 3 would likely be in default."
Insane
The taxpayers are providing lawyers for people who might be the offender? Are we providing lawyers to the landlords too?
Did you read the story? It's not that long
First, this is a proposal. The city isn't paying for anything right now.
Second, Weber specifically said he hoped to include small landlords in the pilot. I mean, good for you if you're worried about the legal bills of landlords with hundreds of units, I guess.
No interest in justice?
Should we take away the right to legal counsel for people charged with criminal acts too?
How do you feel about public defenders?
"The taxpayers are providing lawyers for people who might be the offender" matches public defenders as well, but most people seem fine with that.
Someone is not familiar with
Someone is not familiar with the most elemental facets of the American legal system...
Rent is exploitation. It
Rent is exploitation. It should be cancelled.
What does that mean?
What does that mean?
You people can’t have it both ways
You want more housing. Well people get evicted from their homes when developers by a triple decker, knock it down and put up 6 or 8 luxury condos. So next time you people say build it, remember the people who get displaced.
I evicted a tenant in 2007 for selling drugs
And their free lawyer ( housing court free lawyer for a day program) ended up paying the the renters portion of owed rent in a subsidized unit I wouldn't have otherwise collected on as part of a last minute agreement to avoid an eviction on their record.
Said tenant's brother illegally moved into the apartment with her, was selling crack and the Boston Police raided the unit. I had to get copies of the police report and supoena gang unit officers to testify in court. Since it was drug related it was an emergency 2 week process to settle in court.
It was stressful and the free lawyer helped move the case along in my experience.
I could see more complex cases dragging out and smaller landlords could loose months worth of rent and possibly their property from extended delays.
So this seems reasonable but will likely end up increasing rents as landlords now need to spend more money to evict tenants that don't pay their rent.
I am a bigger fan of the RAFT program in many eviction cases.
This is only a small portion of the issues with Housing Court
The eviction process for cause simply does not work for anyone except a tenant so I'm glad to see some of this proposal includes representation for small landlords. The misnomer that all property is owned by massive rich careless corporation is simply untrue but it does support the narrative many use to spew hatred to anyone that owns a property.
Even if you have good cause it can take up to a year to evict someone. The ultimate kick in the balls is if you actually get an execution to evict the landlord has to pay to move them or pay to store their belongings. The entire process needs a fresh look.
The eviction process doesn’t work for tenants if…
… they eventually lose their home. It only helps protect their consumer’s rights for a while.
Property owners don’t lose their home or their property unless they’ve made bad business decisions. These are often based on greed.
You missed the for cause part of the statement
You are not entitled to consumer protections for something you haven't paid for. You could argue that is also greed.
Yes, you are.
Counterclaims. When property owners fail to fulfill their contracts or comply with health code regulations and rent is withheld.
Consumer protections are not entitlements, they are rights by law.
Not sure how many times I can say it
Cause.
You are adding every type of eviction to bolster your argument. I spent every Thursday for five years in housing court so I fully understand how it works and have seen just about every story there is. There are criminal repercussions for being a bad landlord yet there are none for being a bad tenant. The system needs an overhaul to protect both side equally from bad players.
Because there are many examples of ….
…. landlord actions that are crimes.
Death of tenants from carbon monoxide poisoning due to lack of heating system maintenance for one.
For all your supposed time spent in housing court, you still fail to understand basic consumer law.