The MBTA Communities Act is three sentences of law in an economic development bill. The guidelines promulgated by the agency formerly known as DHCD are dozens and dozens of pages.
The legislature passes the laws with specific terms, and then its up to the administrative bodies to determine how to apply those terms, which can take more space to write out.
Especially in Rockport, where density is one of the town's main attractions. Without density, Rockport wouldn't have Bearskin Neck or really much of anything downtown. It wouldn't be unique. More towns should resemble Rockport's dense charming jumble. I'd even argue the state could go a lot further by outlawing minimum lot sizes.
Have you seen photographs of dense housing in Rio de Janero? It's not pretty. "Letting the market figure it out" is not how urban planners do planning.
Trees, native plants, unpaved earth are good for the environment. Kids having fresh air and open space to play and run around… these are good for mental, emotional and physical health. If you prefer all pavement, car garages and high density buildings then there are plenty of communities that suit your desires. Other people may like nature, birds, trees, a small yard to grow a vegetable garden, etc. Would I like to live in Rockport? Yes. Can I afford it? No. Doesn’t mean I think no one else should be able to live in a single family home home with a yard and trees.
Please. Stop with the storybook lorax misanthropic nimybism waxing romantic about the sanctity of third growth patches of invasive weeds. Some of us professionals who deal with actual climate justice have just totally had it with the existential (and racist/classist) panic over density expressed as an environmentalism of convenience.
Increasing the number of humans living in an area doesn't have to mean any of the things you whinge about here. Moreover, density can be used to create MORE open space by reducing the space needed for building footprints, roadway and utilities, and space between structures. A thirty unit cluster will result in larger open spaces than ten snob-zoned houses fragmenting everything. Not to mention the amount of car habitat needed to support single family zoning.
So just knock it off with your scary monster fairytale organic fertilization of the internet, okay? Going above single family density isn't "Manhattanization" or "Instant Hong Kong" or paving over everything and can create more coherent open space.
is actually to put more density where we've already paved over and built on what was open space, so that the rest of it can actually stay open and fresh.
If you were to visit the designated site you would see that it is a privately owned mostly empty shopping center with a sea of unused parking. Rockport has spectacular publicly owned open space. The crux of this issue is whether a town of 9000 can handle a 10% bump in population as a result of this rezoning. Relatively unique seasonal community that happens to fall within the Charlie baker MBTA zoning law.
You get tourism dollars and convenient car-free commuting from this situaton.
And.changing downtown is going to happen in any case, and change sometmes sucks.
Lose your case and then do what you can to help new development look less like generic 5 over 1s.
Okay, fair trade, we cut some of these little flung suburbs a break provided every resident makes a commitment to removing ecosystem-destroying invasives and turn their sterile monoculture lawns into native-heavy wildlife supports. No more leafblowing - bad for our pollinators, who need leaf-litter to overwinter. No more yard chemicals - herbicides and pesticides are destroying the lowest tiers of our ecosystem.
Also going to throw in all driveways and other paved surfaces replaced with permeable surfaces, to maintain as much of the natural groundwater state as possible.
We'll see how that goes over, lol. I don't live in somewhere nearly as posh as Rockport and my neighbors tried reporting my milkweed to the city as a blight because it wasn't another sterile, lifeless lawn.
Even if Federal Court has jurisdiction over this sort of thing, I believe they do not, the state is not forcing anyone to do anything. They are attaching relevant money to zoning. This is not all that different from when the United States mandated drinking ages be raised to 21 by connecting it to Federal highway spending. Nobody says you have to do X but if you do not do X then I do not do Y.
Comments
officials are seeking to get
This is the real issue for the court, not the MBTA zoning, though that is probably what is prompting the suit.
If the town is ignoring the law with the majority vote rather than the two-thirds, then they are in the wrong and should be stopped.
That is a simple question for the court to decide.
Well, if that's all there is
Then a federal judge will go "Stop wasting my time and go back to state court. Next!"
Is that all there is; https:/
Is that all there is; https://www.google.com/search?q=if+that%27s+all+there+is&sca_esv=2e21461...
The guy who brought the suit.
Is one of those "WERE NOT A DEMOCRACY. WERE A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC!" types.
Well
Nobody voted on this specific law, it’s a directive, which isn’t very democratic.
Odd
I seem to remember our representatives in the state state senate, the state house, and the governor voting for and signing this specific law.
Maybe it should
Be added to a ballot.
Your memory is suspect
The MBTA Communities Act is three sentences of law in an economic development bill. The guidelines promulgated by the agency formerly known as DHCD are dozens and dozens of pages.
Yeah, that's how laws work
The legislature passes the laws with specific terms, and then its up to the administrative bodies to determine how to apply those terms, which can take more space to write out.
Um ...
Perhaps you need some Schoolhouse Rock in your diet.
another rich town with commuter rail and buses.
That ships all their homeless addicted to boston on the numerous buses.
OMG DENSITY OMG OMG OMG
Yeah. Part misinformed fear while not bothering to get the facts, part convenient umbrella bogeyman for diversity panic.
The density argument doesn't even make sense
Especially in Rockport, where density is one of the town's main attractions. Without density, Rockport wouldn't have Bearskin Neck or really much of anything downtown. It wouldn't be unique. More towns should resemble Rockport's dense charming jumble. I'd even argue the state could go a lot further by outlawing minimum lot sizes.
You can’t really make that argument
Anymore. Not with the current migrant crisis and the state dumping people and the cost on local governments.
Really?
How many migrants is Rockland taking on?
The taxpayers pay for most of train and bus service. They have no right to selfishly prevent multifamily housing.
Trying to compare
A public services to the migrant crises is absurd.
Good point
I agree, Rockport should make sure that higher density, multi-family housing is legal everywhere in the municipality.
perhaps
But it needs to be near the train station and bus stops.
Statewide upzoning
Get rid of single family zoning. Let the market figure out the rest.
NEOLIB
What are you, some kind of neoliberal developer shill? Shame on you!
Have you seen photographs of
Have you seen photographs of dense housing in Rio de Janero? It's not pretty. "Letting the market figure it out" is not how urban planners do planning.
getting rid of single family zoning is not zero zoning
But ok
Oh here we go again
Upzoning doesn't mean giant packed in towers. See the video, below.
Trees, native plants, unpaved
Trees, native plants, unpaved earth are good for the environment. Kids having fresh air and open space to play and run around… these are good for mental, emotional and physical health. If you prefer all pavement, car garages and high density buildings then there are plenty of communities that suit your desires. Other people may like nature, birds, trees, a small yard to grow a vegetable garden, etc. Would I like to live in Rockport? Yes. Can I afford it? No. Doesn’t mean I think no one else should be able to live in a single family home home with a yard and trees.
Get off this
Please. Stop with the storybook lorax misanthropic nimybism waxing romantic about the sanctity of third growth patches of invasive weeds. Some of us professionals who deal with actual climate justice have just totally had it with the existential (and racist/classist) panic over density expressed as an environmentalism of convenience.
Increasing the number of humans living in an area doesn't have to mean any of the things you whinge about here. Moreover, density can be used to create MORE open space by reducing the space needed for building footprints, roadway and utilities, and space between structures. A thirty unit cluster will result in larger open spaces than ten snob-zoned houses fragmenting everything. Not to mention the amount of car habitat needed to support single family zoning.
So just knock it off with your scary monster fairytale organic fertilization of the internet, okay? Going above single family density isn't "Manhattanization" or "Instant Hong Kong" or paving over everything and can create more coherent open space.
Watch and learn:
The best way to actually preserve open space and fresh air
is actually to put more density where we've already paved over and built on what was open space, so that the rest of it can actually stay open and fresh.
Stop making sense!
.
If you were to visit the
If you were to visit the designated site you would see that it is a privately owned mostly empty shopping center with a sea of unused parking. Rockport has spectacular publicly owned open space. The crux of this issue is whether a town of 9000 can handle a 10% bump in population as a result of this rezoning. Relatively unique seasonal community that happens to fall within the Charlie baker MBTA zoning law.
Winsome loser
You get tourism dollars and convenient car-free commuting from this situaton.
And.changing downtown is going to happen in any case, and change sometmes sucks.
Lose your case and then do what you can to help new development look less like generic 5 over 1s.
Good luck!
What native plants??
Have you been to Rockport?
It’s almost as bad as the Cape with all the landscaping, lawns and cookie cutter yards
Okay, fair trade, we cut some
Okay, fair trade, we cut some of these little flung suburbs a break provided every resident makes a commitment to removing ecosystem-destroying invasives and turn their sterile monoculture lawns into native-heavy wildlife supports. No more leafblowing - bad for our pollinators, who need leaf-litter to overwinter. No more yard chemicals - herbicides and pesticides are destroying the lowest tiers of our ecosystem.
Also going to throw in all driveways and other paved surfaces replaced with permeable surfaces, to maintain as much of the natural groundwater state as possible.
We'll see how that goes over, lol. I don't live in somewhere nearly as posh as Rockport and my neighbors tried reporting my milkweed to the city as a blight because it wasn't another sterile, lifeless lawn.
I love you!
I love you!
Twenty years later...
"How can you be so HEARTLESS to talk about managed retreat? Build us a big seawall! For free!"
Mexico will pay for it
:-)
Even if Federal Court has
Even if Federal Court has jurisdiction over this sort of thing, I believe they do not, the state is not forcing anyone to do anything. They are attaching relevant money to zoning. This is not all that different from when the United States mandated drinking ages be raised to 21 by connecting it to Federal highway spending. Nobody says you have to do X but if you do not do X then I do not do Y.