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Puck naked at BU
By adamg on Fri, 09/07/2012 - 6:39am
The Globe gets ahold of the more detailed reports on just what it was BU hockey players were up to, including one party at Agganis Arena that featured sex in the penalty box and naked puck shooting. Also:
A female student told the task force that a player had shoved his hands down her pants at a party and refused to stop even as she was punching him. She did not report the incident to authorities because, she said, "that's just what [BU hockey players] do."
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Puck naked, in other words
Puck naked, in other words
We have a winner!
Thanks! I've changed the headline to yours, which is far better than what I came up with.
Not defending BU in any way
Not defending BU in any way but I think a lot of the major institutions in the US need to a take a good look at what their players are doing. I bet ASU, USC, Duke...etc have the exact same problems and are staying silent about it. Its deeper than just a few lacrosse and hockey bros. It goes back to the culture of college sports and school sports in general.
Charges against the Duke
Charges against the Duke lacrosse players were dropped and the guy who prosecuted the case against the players was fired and disbarred. Of course, your "evidence" that this type of behaviour is widespread in college sports is that people are silent about it. Uhub posters are silent about the widespread abduction of Mass residents by aliens also... so I guess given that this alien kidnapping problem is never mentioned here, it must be really commmon.
I assumed the poster was
I assumed the poster was referring to the Duke basketball team, but whatever.
I don't think he was feigning to have evidence but was merely speculating that this was potentially a bigger problem than just a few over-entitled dbags on Comm Ave. As a graduate and former student athlete at a big ten school with high-profile football and basketball teams, his comments resonate for me and my experience tells me he is probably right.
Exactly. Sorry I didn't have
Exactly. Sorry I didn't have all my evidence in order.
university sports shenanigans blogger
May I internet intro you to Margaret Soltan of the University Diaries blog? She's a professor at GWU, iirc, and she covers all things university sports-awful related. She's good.
Jack Parker
One disturbing aspect of this story is the role of rampant alcohol abuse being condoned/sanctioned/permitted/encouraged (whatever degree it is I guess will determine the verb) by someone who has dealt with alcohol addiction and has worked to overcome it. Simply put Parker should know better.
He's being an enabler of addictive behavior in addition to asshole behavior. He should be knocked on his ass. Fire him. It's been a good run, but how many rapes have been aided by this hockey dynasty that were chalked up to "wild oats" and "hey they'll learn in time." As a BU alum and a BU hockey fan it's painful to say, but no one will take this seriously if they just cover it up and hope it goes away.
Leave Jack Parker alone!
From Friday's Globe:
I'm speechless...
boston.com article is blocked at work
but I did hear some D&C on the ride to work today and apparently one of the players said that there was no consent needed when drinking was involved? Someone should teach every freshman/freshwoman that being drunk implies that you cannot give consent.
Also, if no means no, punching means OH HALE NO. It's a shame that this female student didn't feel comfortable reporting the incident.
Not at BU, but
a lot of girls are taught that reporting sexual assaults is a "choice" because the police are "mean". It is very sad that people do not teach their children the importance of reporting ALL crimes to the police.
Unfortunately, a lot of girls
Unfortunately, a lot of girls also get the run-around from authorities when they report a sexual assault, and often nothing comes of reporting. Which can lead to even more shame and embarrassment for the victim.
When is this - 20 years ago?
When is this - 20 years ago? The relevant 'authorities' have been taking sensitivity training for years. And they have assigned teams to deal with sexual assault. And by the way - many 'authorities' these days are women.
Right, the "authorities."
Right, the "authorities." Always kind and helpful. And once you report your assault, it's a breeze to get to a conviction, providing you can remember every single detail of your surroundings and the actual assault. Otherwise, you're just one of those bitches who is lying because she's ugly/frigid/looking for attention.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2162846/Ye...
Ooh, and here's ANOTHER fun one!
http://jezebel.com/5941373/its-your-fault-if-youre...
Even female authority figures
Even female authority figures have been known to give rape victims the same lines about "shouldn't have been out late, shouldn't have been drunk, shouldn't have been at that party," etc. Being female doesn't make them automatically sympathetic (ditto for being male not making them automatically UNsympathetic). The truth is, less than half of sexual assaults are reported to police (that's TODAY, not 20 years ago) and of those that are…only 3% actually wind up with someone held responsible for the crime. Today, not 20 years ago.
Read the links that Koloratur posted. And do a little reading about the nation wide backlog of unprocessed rape kits. If even full-fledged rapes aren't being prosecuted, why on earth would a college girl think a guy shoving his hands down her pants would be treated with any more respect or seriousness? What's that old slogan…oh yes. "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention."
By the way, where the hell was everyone else at this party?
May I ask what the EFF everyone else at this party was doing while this woman was attempting to fight off a guy with his hand down her pants? If you ask me, the fact that that the next sentence wasn't "Several other students came to the female's aid forcing the offending team member to remove his hand and subsequently began beating the everliving snot out of him" suggests that there is an even bigger problem here. Was everyone else afraid of mixing it up with a hockey player and perhaps some of his teammates in defense of this woman? I effing hope not.
Hockey...
A sport played for idiots by idiots.
One of the sleaziest guys I ever met at BU was
on the crew team. He was on a national team in Europe (forget which country, because I didn't care.) Anyway, same sense of entitlement, except no one on campus knew who he was.
It is very much time for colleges to stop recruiting athletes. Accept students on academic grounds, then have tryouts in August for the school team just like in high school. Because they're Special Little Snowflakes who do not have to follow The Same Rules as Everyone Else, they think they can behave like slimeballs. It's over.
Lets hold on here for a second.
Without sounding too "blame the victimish", this has nothing to do with "recruiting". Lowering the academic bar to let athletes in the school can may be a problem but I don't think that is the issue for the most part either.
Females are simply going to be attracted to athletes. They always have been, and probably always will be. Men who are used to women flaunting over them are going to act a certain way and push the boundries as they have at BU in this report. But if women weren't attacted to these male athletes, would it even be an issue?
Without getting too silly, lets say a school wanted to admit the best looking males for some modeling class/program. Wouldn't the males in this group have the same problems? (since more women would be attracted to them?) This is to show that I don't want to take the blame of the male, I just wanted to point out that females happen to be attracted to these men, so you are going to have some more interaction between the two groups (females and wanted males). The more these males get used to these sexual encounters at a young age, the more they push the boundries of illegal and criminal behavior.
To add, hockey players are assholes because their parents are assholes. Most play hockey because their parents forced them to, in this country kids mostly play because their parents are willing to drive them to rinks at an early age.
EDIT: I am always amused when I see American high school or college hockey player with these "hockey mullets" which they think signify the "hockey player look". This look is simply what every redneck Canadian has. Throw on some clown shoes and you have completed your look guys.
I mean, I've seen Animal House and Revenge of the Nerds, is it really that much worse in 2012, or are we just reporting it more now?
Nice Troll
.....uhm...I don't even know where to begin. I'm assuming this is simply Swirly-bait.
No I'm not trolling.
And like I said, I don't want to blame any victims here in terms of "its their fault for liking the hockey players in the first place", or "what did they expect for getting so drunk and wearing those clothes".
But why blame the hockey coach or athletic administration when the immature American male is too blame?
Pete's hardly a troll...
Pete's hardly a troll...
I know...
...which is why I was taken back by the post. There are people who post on her regularly who would be considered feminists and they can no doubt speak about the rampant rape culture we live in far better than I can (because I'm not much of a feminist). But as far as the culpability of Coach Parker, he is enabling the behavior. If these things are going on off campus long after games you might say he can't do much until he hears about something happening, but some of these things are going on in the god-damned penalty box ferchrissakes. The buck stops with him when it comes to hockey and the activities of his players. These are young men that are there, ostensibly, for an education and unfortunately the lesson they are receiving is that they are free to do what they want because they're hockey players. Doesn't matter what the broader culture defines "the American male" to be, Coach Parker is supposed to define what a BU Terrier is expected to be.
As far as "girls being attracted to athletes" what does that have to do with the behavior of those in question? "She likes me and is flirting, therefore she's mine." Do we then club her over the head and drag her back to the cave? I don't understand the point, outside of falling into the narrative of "she was asking for it."
Broad generalizations about parents who push their kids into sports (and hockey parents in particular) is pretty insulting as well. So I think my kid enjoys sports and I want him/her to be physically active and to learn the discipline that comes with taking up a sport, therefore I'm an asshole. Apparently we just celebrated the work of thousands of assholes over in London last month.
No, this post has a number of issues and I won't even go on the Canadian redneck quip or using Animal House and Revenge of the Nerds as ethnographies of American youth.
John W
I was a little rushed today typing on my Ipad when I wrote,and this is a tough subject to type words about, but you are missing my point.
I'm not saying there isn't a rape culture. I'm just saying you shouldn't blame recruiting or big time athletics for this rape culture. Coach Parker was probably in bed when this penalty box sex was going on, but you want to blame him for that? Sure, we can fault him for not reporting what happend to the authorities afterwards, but there still weren't any crimes being alleged there either.
I brought up the two movies to show that this rape culture isn't some new thing that started happening when the Agganis Arena was built. This rape culture existed when frats existed, and it exists with division 3 school athletes as well. (schools without athletic scholorships). I believe schools are reporting it more, and women might be reporting it more as well. I wanted to be serious about that part of my post.
I was joking about the hockey players, but really I was only half joking. I've seen these parents in action at the youth levels. I think most of them do a horrible job. Its great that you want to get your kid involved in organized sports, its one of the best things you can do for your child, especially if he is interested. But I've seen so many young hockey players quit around the middle school age because of these parent/coaches that simply don't make the sport fun anymore./ And yes, it is one of these sports that is often forced by parents on their child because of ice/equipment avialablity
I have many Canadian friends who have these silly mullets, and I tell it to their face all the time. This was more of a shot against these BU players who I see around all the time (usually well behaved when I see them actually). It makes them phoney in my opinion.
Being an attractive athlete
Being an attractive athlete surrounded by drunk women does not grant a person a license to be a cad at best, or a sexual predator at worst.
What ever happened to being a gentleman and having sound moral character? Don't universities care about the values demonstrated by their students anymore?
Agreed.
Being an attractive (or unattractive) athlete does not give license to rape and pillage a school and its surroundings. Same for frat boys or (insert stereotypically bad boy group here).
I don't have an answer but the answer is not to stop recruiting athletes.
UGH! I clicked the +1 button by mistake. Here's my reply
I went to an SEC school for grad school (Go DAWGS!) and methinks that you have no idea how much these teams mean for the schools.
I'll use my own school as an example (GO DAWGS! Did I say that already? I still have school spirit after 20 years!), the University of Georgia.
20 years later I still have school spirit largely because of football. Guess how many years I've donated as an alumna of that school? It doesn't take someone who designs banking systems like me to know that it's 20. 20 years of increasingly larger checks. Go DAWGS!
My school spirit also makes me want to help the admissions office by taking high school students from the Boston area who have been accepted by UGA out to dinner to answer questions and tell them I loved it there. I like to think this means Georgia is getting a highly qualified student from Massachusetts who might have gone to Michigan or Vermont or BC or RPI or you name it instead.
But I've save the best for last. Do you have ANY IDEA HOW MUCH MONEY THESE PROGRAMS MAKE FOR THE SCHOOL? The profit (revenue - expense) that the UGA football program made in 2011 was approx $50 million.
They had $70 million in revenue and spent $20 back into the program. You know where that $50 million goes? It gets dispersed through other sports programs, academic programs, building improvements - in other words the University at large.
I'm sure that the football players had women dripping off of them like Justin Bieber does with his female fans. I don't really care as long as they're not breaking the law and assaulting them.
I had a football player in one of the classes I taught as a TA and he was a bit dim but very nice. He apologized for his absences and I allowed him to make up his work when he was traveling but he did the best he could to balance a full time academic schedule and what amounts to being a semi-professional athlete.
Should the students run amok and assault women? NO. Should there be very strong oversight of these students and their activities, on the field and off, YES. Not everyone is St. Tim Tebow.
To some rape apologists ^
...a frenzied sports culture and $$$ take priority over a person's right to not be sexually assaulted. Joe Paterno held this same disgusting conviction. GO DAWGS!
Oh lordy
Could you cite some evidence that shows that the University of Georgia sports culture has led to the school not putting a priority on women not being sexually assaulted or did you just want to write some hyperbolic post about and men and sports and rape and Joe Paterno?
What, specifically, in my post makes me a rape apologist?
didn't mean to rain on yr pep rally
First of all, what's hyperbolic about stating the blindingly obvious connection between certain mens athletic programs, entitlement, sexual abuse and institutional denial? There's obviously a very reality-based connection. Second, I'm not talking specifically about your university. I'm talking about the tired old argument that gets trotted out EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. one of these entitled athletes rapes or assaults someone. When a punitive response to this culture (and yes, it is a culture) of abuse is proposed, (such as at Penn State) people make the same argument that you're making: "but they make soooo much money for the school!."
And "Not everyone is St Tim Tebow" is a rape apologist line. It implies that some people just can't help themselves, which is rape apologism.
Oh lordy, part 2
1) You insinuate that I am as bad a person as a man who held a tremendous position of power and used that power for over a decade to consciously and actively take part in a cover-up of the rape of little boys. I can assure you that I have never covered-up anything of the sort.
2) It's a long way from
to "because otherwise they'll assault every coed in their paths!" But if you think that I in any way, shape or form, implied that all men except for Tim Tebow are rapists, then I apologize for being an apologetic.
** Disclaimer: In 10 years we might find out that Tim Tebow is a serial rapist but for the time being, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
I have about an hour and a half commute home now but I'll try to log in later to see if we can carry on all night because I'm sure there are plenty of men watching this thread and laughing at two women ripping each other apart.
c.c..c.c.c.c.CAT FIGHT!
oo boy! If we's lucky maybe they'll rip each others' clothes off!
Ask and you shall
Ask and you shall receive!
http://ourgeorgiahistory.com/ogh/UGA_sexual_assault