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UMass campuses can require students to get Covid-19 shots if they want to attend classes this fall, judge rules
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Yep
And anyone who thinks they would rule any differently needs to learn what the term "decades of case law" means. College students at UMass campuses have been required for many years to have the basic panel of injections, plus meningitis if there is an outbreak. There is no reason this is any different. Many of us older graduate students in the early 2000s ran afoul of this as we didn't have reliable documentation - except I had been in the military and, well, they hit you with everything so UMass backed off. They even wanted 50 somethings to repeat everything.
My son was nearly refused a return to campus at UMass because he hadn't had his meningitis jab (he had a recent mono infection, hence the delay). After his doctor contacted the university he was given a week from the end of the wait time to get it done, and made the appointment to make it so.
In other words THIS IS NOT A NEW THING. All of these lawsuits are simply bullshit aimed at trying to end all the vaccine mandates.
MA won a supreme court case on that shit (vaccine mandate for smallpox for all Cambridge residents) in 1905. Ain't gonna happen.
UNH too
I remember returning to campus second semester in 1990 (?) and if you didn't have proof of a measles vaccine, there were people right there in the gym ready to give you one. You didn't leave the gym without a paper or a band aid on your arm.
Swirlburgah
the manner with which you choose articulate yourself here is (and in most other posts) just so sad.
It really is crazy to me that you aren’t one of our BRIGHTEST CIVIC LEADERS!!
sad how?
Like too many facts for you and your opinions?
Strawman
Nice try but I won’t feed the animals
One request
I know you really, really, really want to eat the horse pills, but please don't.
Boo boo bunny
You should get one from the freezer for that place where reality hurts you so much.
Have another drink
I'll join ya ;)
But the covid vaccine IS A
But the covid vaccine IS A NEW THING! And the smallpox vaccine case you are referencing from 1905, wasn't a new thing, smallpox vaccine was being given for over 100 years by then. This vaccine is less than 1 year old.
Nope
Keep trying. RNA vaccines have been out for decades. Also, billions have been treated with them by now and side effects are so rare despite the huge numbers that it is difficult to pin them on the vaccine.
Your life might go easier if you put all that creativity to use somewhere other than demonstrably false conspiracy musings.
So?
You're wrong both factually and legally. The lawyer for the students tried this and got shot down. I didn't get into it in my story, but let's jump in, shall we?
At least for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, no, they didn't just spring up a year ago. mRNA vaccines have, in fact, been in development for 20 years now and there was an mRNA vaccine developed specifically for another coronavirus, which never got used because, unlike Covid-19, that variant fizzled out long before becoming a global pandemic. All three vaccines were tested on tens of thousands of people in government-approved trials. Since their release, hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated. There's plenty of evidence for their efficacy and yes, side effects (all vaccines have them).
Legally, though, none of this matters. First, as the UMass attorney (an assistant Massachusetts attorney general) noted, nothing in any law related to vaccines has any sort of time element in it - certainly nothing that requires ten decades of research before a vaccine can be approved.
Also, that 100-year thing comes from the Jacobson case, back in 1905. Back then, there was no FDA or CDC. Now we have two large government agencies whose duties include overseeing the safety and efficacy of drugs.
Continuing down the legal path, the judge in the case had to determine whether UMass had a legitimate reason for compelling students to get shots. Her decision illustrates her conclusion that it did - that we are in the middle of a pandemic involving a highly contagious, often fatal virus and that government experts at all levels had concluded that the vaccines are a key method for dealing with that crisis.
Psst, Adam
I believe you may have replied to the wrong comment here...
Hmm ...
Was replying to the comment about how they shouldn't have to be forced to take a vaccine because we don't have 100 years of proof that it works.
Blame the gnomes.
Blame the gnomes.
Blanket orders suck
Again, people who had Covid should not be forced to get the vaccine.
Which isn't an issue in this case
But in any case, the Centers for Disease Control say you're wrong, but what do they know?
With all due respect
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-m...
I want to be clear that I’m not anti vaccine. I had Covid last year and I can’t reiterate enough, it sucked. I encourage everyone who hasn’t had it to get vaccinated. I just don’t think there should be a one size fits all approach.
Immunity wanes
There's a reason CDC recommends getting the vaccine even if you've had Covid due to studies that showed benefit. The natural immunity wanes over time plus isn't as strong as immunity from the vaccine. People can get Covid more than once, especially when it's a different strain.
Old news
Israel the most vaccinated country on earth says otherwise.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-m...
From your link
This isn't the first study to find that. Sheesh. We've got a modern miracle here — take advantage!
Most vaccinated country*
* that excluded a substantial number of people from vaccination because they weren't the *right* kind of person.
Raise your hand
If you have had the flu before and still get vaccines every year.
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Good. Plus masks. But once
Good. Plus masks. But once they get on train God help them because MBTA does nothing about the maskless impaired.