Bryers DID actually contain ground vanilla bean, ground up. Little dark specs and it had some texture to it. It was somewhat unique as one of the only vanilla ice creams you could get in the supermarket that was in fact actually made with real vanilla beans.
I think the label even used to say "made with real vanilla beans!"
You know what's funny? You go to europe an imported commercial US food has half the label covered over with stickers because the claims about benefits and contents don't meet EU standards.
FDA says it is incumbent upon the manufacturer to comply with all labeling requirements. Enforcement doesn’t happen until a violation is brought to their attention.
Also, this label is deceptive, but it may not be breaking any FDA regulations.
It's an urban myth. Castoreum, an oily secretion given by beavers and other animals, is not simple to harvest. There are no beaver anal milkers and the number of beavers you'd have to kill for a gallon of ice cream is enormous. It's way easier to just grow vanilla plants.
What they're probably doing is playing games with how they get the vanilla flavor from the vanilla plants. The processors will extract the beans for really high end products (like the other ice creams mentioned possibly) and then pulp and extract the oil from the husk and other parts and sell that to Breyers which will be cheaper and lower quality flavor. They could put vanilla oil or something like that...or they can just hide it behind "natural flavor".
Why is it unreasonable to expect a billion dollar multinational cooperation to not lie and be deceptive on their packaging?
Deceptive marketing should be handled by the feds but since the government works for corporations, not citizens, they don't do their job. So instead lawyers and astute citizens need to take their place and hold companies accountable for their packaging and contents.
Few intelligent people would expect, for example, a green apple Jolly Rancher or watermelon Now & Later to have actual fruit in them because it says “artificially flavored” on the front of the package.
I suspect that Breyers could have inoculated themselves from liability if they conspicuously labeled the front of the ice cream with “made with natural flavors”, yet Breyers made the calculated bet that such a label would make it obvious that the product lacked real vanilla and vanilla beans and it would hurt sales. Knowingly omitting such language from the front label to preserve sales is the very definition of deception.
By the end of it, you'll all be entitled to 30 cents or half off one container of ice cream. I joined the class in Hendricks v. StarKist Co. and I'm fairly certain I never received my $2 check, which when I opted in, was $25.
Both natural and artificial flavors are synthesized in laboratories, but artificial flavors come from petroleum and other inedible substances, while “natural flavor” can refer to anything that comes from a spice, fruit or fruit juice, vegetable or vegetable juice, edible yeast, herb, bark, bud, root, leaf—yes, we’re still going—meat, seafood, poultry, eggs, dairy products, or anything fermented from those foods, according to Food and Drug Administration spokesperson Deborah Kotz.
When certain ingredients fail to exceed +2% of a product’s formulation, manufacturers are allowed to use such terms as “natural flavors”, “artificial flavors”, and “spices” on the product’s ingredient statement in order to save room on the label and to hide trade proprietary recipes.
Turn the heat up, eat some ice cream, pretend its not Hoth outside. Shaw's has their brand of ice cream on sale this week, but I have a couple of cartons of Friendly's ice cream in the freezer that I bought a few weeks back.
(But we also can assume that this lawsuit was not filed instantly, and for that matter she may have been eating it for years and only noticed this winter that the labeling was deceptive.)
One of the things I like about living here is that (most) people don't think I'm weird for eating ice cream year-round, though it's been a few years since I walked down Mass Ave in the snow, eating an ice cream cone.
It makes me sad to see Breyers can no longer be relied upon for high standards. Remember the ads where the kids read the ingredients, and there weren't any weird chemicals?
Before the brand was sold to Unilever, Breyers was hands down the best ice cream you could buy in a big grocery store. They had no additives and actual flavors not just "natural flavors" — they made a big deal of printing the ingredients in large print.
This made the ice cream have a different texture than other brands. When Unilever got the brand, they decided that this all wasn't worth it and kept marketing as a premium brand but changed it to be just like any other mass produced ice cream.
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She wants small beans in her ice cream?
Got it.
(Shouts to the stock room) “Hey Bobby, this one wants beans!”
Typical, these kinds of
Typical, these kinds of people , all they think about is making money off of others..
Yes?
Bryers DID actually contain ground vanilla bean, ground up. Little dark specs and it had some texture to it. It was somewhat unique as one of the only vanilla ice creams you could get in the supermarket that was in fact actually made with real vanilla beans.
I think the label even used to say "made with real vanilla beans!"
You know what's funny? You go to europe an imported commercial US food has half the label covered over with stickers because the claims about benefits and contents don't meet EU standards.
Perhaps maybe the woman
Perhaps maybe the woman should go after the FDA before attacking breyers, it’s the FDA who approved the ice cream.
FDA does not pre-approve labels...
...USDA FSIS, on the other hand, does.
FDA says it is incumbent upon the manufacturer to comply with all labeling requirements. Enforcement doesn’t happen until a violation is brought to their attention.
Also, this label is deceptive, but it may not be breaking any FDA regulations.
You must be fun at parties!
Stepping on jokes, splainin’ things to everyone.
;)
WTF is "natural flavor" any
WTF is "natural flavor" any way? I see that on almost any processed food product.
Beaver anal glands
And I wish I was kidding
Not true
It's an urban myth. Castoreum, an oily secretion given by beavers and other animals, is not simple to harvest. There are no beaver anal milkers and the number of beavers you'd have to kill for a gallon of ice cream is enormous. It's way easier to just grow vanilla plants.
What they're probably doing is playing games with how they get the vanilla flavor from the vanilla plants. The processors will extract the beans for really high end products (like the other ice creams mentioned possibly) and then pulp and extract the oil from the husk and other parts and sell that to Breyers which will be cheaper and lower quality flavor. They could put vanilla oil or something like that...or they can just hide it behind "natural flavor".
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/castoreum/
Thanks for that
gonna add this in the TodayILearned forum on Reddit
You're a dream crusher
All I've ever wanted to do since I was a small boy was to work the dams as a beaver anal milker.
Let's Play
Find the Vegan!
What Kaz said. Anyone who thinks its beaver secretions has never dealt with actual beavers before, lol.
Her lawyer called her a reasonable consumer
Don't laugh.
Yeah, she is reasonable
Why is it unreasonable to expect a billion dollar multinational cooperation to not lie and be deceptive on their packaging?
Deceptive marketing should be handled by the feds but since the government works for corporations, not citizens, they don't do their job. So instead lawyers and astute citizens need to take their place and hold companies accountable for their packaging and contents.
More power to her. I hope she wins big.
Exactly right
Few intelligent people would expect, for example, a green apple Jolly Rancher or watermelon Now & Later to have actual fruit in them because it says “artificially flavored” on the front of the package.
I suspect that Breyers could have inoculated themselves from liability if they conspicuously labeled the front of the ice cream with “made with natural flavors”, yet Breyers made the calculated bet that such a label would make it obvious that the product lacked real vanilla and vanilla beans and it would hurt sales. Knowingly omitting such language from the front label to preserve sales is the very definition of deception.
She won't get 5 million dollars
The lawyers will do ok though if Breyers settles.
It sounds like a class action
The $5M—or whatever a settled amount may become—will be spread out over everyone who qualifies as part of the class.
Dig out your Stop & Shop receipts and chec to see if you bought any Breyers in the last year; you may be able to get piece of the action!
I'm a Häagen -Dazs gal myself
I have no standing in the class action
The kids like Hood Chocolate Chip flavor
By the end of it, you'll all
By the end of it, you'll all be entitled to 30 cents or half off one container of ice cream. I joined the class in Hendricks v. StarKist Co. and I'm fairly certain I never received my $2 check, which when I opted in, was $25.
So what are the black specks,
So what are the black specks, if not vanilla bean bits?
Possibilities
One possibility would be processed vanilla bean husk. Not something you'd want to list on your ingredients so you call it "natural flavor".
I’m sick of the “natural
I’m sick of the “natural
Flavor “ shit. Just tell us what’s actually in the product you’re selling us. I hope she wins
Seltzer is notorious for using “natural flavor” as ingredient
https://www.bonappetit.com/story/truth-about-natural-artificial-flavors
When certain ingredients fail to exceed +2% of a product’s formulation, manufacturers are allowed to use such terms as “natural flavors”, “artificial flavors”, and “spices” on the product’s ingredient statement in order to save room on the label and to hide trade proprietary recipes.
Best way to get your very vanilla ice cream
Buy local.
Are there any ice cream "deserts" anywhere in MA? I've roved the state on a bike and have yet to find any.
YMMV
It depends on what you consider to be 'ice cream'.
Depends on season?
Places like Dairy Joy in Weston or Soc's in Saugus shut down for the winter months.
JPL
J.P. Licks?
Breyer's vanilla bean
Nope. No deserts in MA lol
Even in "the olden days"
I always liked the Rubel bike maps inclusion of a symbol denoting an ice cream parlor, they definitely knew their audience.
Dont tell her about the
Dont tell her about the chicken pot pie.
It's the coldest day of the winter so far...
... and this woman wants ICE CREAM?
Turn the heat up, eat some
Turn the heat up, eat some ice cream, pretend its not Hoth outside. Shaw's has their brand of ice cream on sale this week, but I have a couple of cartons of Friendly's ice cream in the freezer that I bought a few weeks back.
What's wrong with...
... ice cream 12 months a year? ;-)
Cold weather puts me in the mood for ice cream
as it does for many a New Englander.
(But we also can assume that this lawsuit was not filed instantly, and for that matter she may have been eating it for years and only noticed this winter that the labeling was deceptive.)
One of the things I like
One of the things I like about living here is that (most) people don't think I'm weird for eating ice cream year-round, though it's been a few years since I walked down Mass Ave in the snow, eating an ice cream cone.
Another similar thing:
People mostly also don't think it's weird to drink iced coffee year round (I mean, *I* think it's weird, but I keep it to myself).
But ice cream, heck yeah year round.
Who wouldn't?
It's pretty much ideal weather for buying ice cream, in terms of getting it home before it melts.
And now I really want ice cream.
NBD in New England
According to Ben and Jerry (in their cookbook), New Englanders eat more ice cream than any other region of the country, and we eat it year round.
Breyers used to stand for quality and purity of ingredients.
It makes me sad to see Breyers can no longer be relied upon for high standards. Remember the ads where the kids read the ingredients, and there weren't any weird chemicals?
If these lawsuits are
If these lawsuits are supposed to be a deterrent, why do they keep happening?
I think we need a different system for enforcing truth in food labeling.
I for one actually am offended
Before the brand was sold to Unilever, Breyers was hands down the best ice cream you could buy in a big grocery store. They had no additives and actual flavors not just "natural flavors" — they made a big deal of printing the ingredients in large print.
This made the ice cream have a different texture than other brands. When Unilever got the brand, they decided that this all wasn't worth it and kept marketing as a premium brand but changed it to be just like any other mass produced ice cream.
So here we are.
It's almost as if unfettered
It's almost as if unfettered capitalism doesn't always work out to the best advantage of the consumer!
“Guar gum?”
https://youtu.be/vE18Pnm5xV8