It took them one week to think of and implement these changes in response to the OL closure. If all it takes to improve traffic safety and management is some paint and week of brainstorming, can't we do more of it?
My impression is that a big difference here is that the usual carbrain anti-bike anti-pedestrian NIMBY types weren't given a chance to slog down this process. As a YIMBY maximalist I think we have too much local input on these sorts of things in forums where participation doesn't represent the community at large.
The city should make changes without hearings. Then have hearings 6-9 months later so people can comment if the changes are an improvement, need adjustments, or should be reverted entirely.
The current hearing system is just speculation from all sides.
A lot of these changes will be gone in a year, though it might be a part of longer term permanent changes.
Quick pop up changes, though well intentioned, often don't last. I was pondering this while driving down (after running up) Cummins Highway in Mattapan last week.
Excellent. We have more and more evidence that bus and bike lanes are effective in reducing commute times and saving lives. A few car drivers from the suburbs should not be prioritized over thousands of bus riders and cyclists.
Let's start with Huntington Ave. How many people were served by the right lane before it became a bus lane, when it became a bus lane during the E branch closure with boosted bus service, and now that it's a bus lane with transit service is back to normal?
In that survey conducted with the City of Boston, 74% of riders said they had a faster trip since the lanes were installed. The most popular features, according to the MBTA, are the electronic boards at the bus stops.
Oh and also
It hasn’t all been smooth sailing. In the city’s survey, cars and trucks were spotted driving and parking in bus lanes. Neighbor Maria Depeiza said it’s taken some getting used to.
According to BostonBRT, commutes in Arlington shrank by up to 10 minutes because of the dedicated bus lane on Mass. Ave., while riders along the Cambridge-Watertown bus lane on Mt. Auburn Street saved about five minutes on average. BostonBRT also found that the length of bus rides was more consistent each day.
These results are similar to the impact of bus lanes in Boston and Everett, which also reduced travel times and have since become permanent. Arlington also decided to make its bus lane permanent this spring.
you mean the agenda she campaigned on and was elected overwhelmingly with? yea, a real
shame she’s implementing her campaign promises to make Boston a better city for bike and transit users
That would be the nefarious agenda of saving driver and pedestrian lives and reducing traffic jams.
If you think the changes are a bad idea, there's nothing stopping you from asking the city government to reverse them You'll probably need a better argument than objecting that the changes were tried out for 30 days, instead of the decision being made after months or years of hearings.
You're kidding right? Do explain how taking a lane from a main road for bikes reduces traffic jams? Just the opposite isn't it?
While you're at it help me understand how bottlenecking vehicles that once moved through those street but will now sit and idle for another hour while watching a bike lane that has few users per hour will lower pollution? Oh let me guess, you don't want any vehicles on the city roads right?
When you create infrastructure that makes biking or taking the bus a safe and viable option for commuting, some people will choose that over driving. Therefore, there will be fewer cars on the road to get stuck in traffic. There have been endless studies showing that more car lanes actually lead to more traffic instead of alleviating traffic. Google "induced demand."
You can construct whatever argument you'd like based on logic and reasoning, but in this case we actually have empirical data which shows pretty clearly that the changes they're making permanent have not caused the problems you're afraid of. Neither you nor I may understand why your fears have not been realized, but the fact remains: they haven't been, and that's pretty much that. Reality is reality.
There is nothing here, such as traffic enforcement, that prevents opposing agendas.
You can still straddle or block individual lanes, or angle your vehicle while stopped to make an adjacent lane impassable. You can still pull forward to block crosswalks and intersections to impede others who have right of way at intersections.
If you and others want to worsen traffic, you can continue to do so easily.
Hope so...her agenda is why she pummeled her opponents. It's called changing. Boston is a joke in so many ways compared to other livable cities. Yes, born and bred, etc,etc.
There are areas of SF, NY and other cities that made changes during Covid & aren't going back. Know what - the people that live in those areas love the changes.
Who are they fooling? Improve traffic by increasing the amount of traffic? Neither buses or bikers are ever stopped for reckless driving, running red lights, not stopping for pedestrians and other dangerous behavior. The buses and bike lanes are causing most of the traffic problems. Bus drivers are all over the place, and bike riders seem to throw all common sense to the wind while riding through densely populated areas. Its one thing to make the dedicated spaces but you have to do something to make them use it.
Huntington begins. I have driven inbound to Ruggles St. and there are no bus lanes.
As far as I know it is only the #39 bus that is on that stretch and they run now only about every 15 minutes, if then. The #66 leaves Huntington at Brigham Circle.
That sounds like a Boston bus lane: no markings, and one bus every 15 minutes.
If nobody knows it's a bus lane, and buses are rare, what purpose does it serve? Mostly just for politicians to announce how much they're doing for transit.
Boylston Street one-way for vehicles: Closing part of Boylston Street (between Amory & Lamartine) to traffic throughout the shutdown has improved safety (collisions and near-misses) along the Southwest Corridor. Reopening this stretch as a one-way street from Amory to Lamartine for vehicles will support long-term bike connectivity plans, improve safety for all modes, and reduce conflict at the high crash intersection of Boylston and Lamartine Streets.
This intersection is along my daily commute and prior to this change I’d see near misses on a nearly daily basis between cars, cars and pedestrians, and cars and cyclists. I’ve stopped twice to be a witness for accidents since 2019.
They need to deal with New Minton St (the next cross street), which is too often used as a shortcut by speeding drivers and which has a total blind spot for cars, pedestrians, and cyclists courtesy of some MBTA duct work. The best solution is to make it one way in the opposite direction removing the blind spot and dividing the traffic between the two cross streets.
Comments
The added Chinatown bus stop
The added Chinatown bus stop is on the SL4, not the SL5. It’s on the Surface Artery near the Chinatown gate, and only the outbound SL4 goes that way.
The fact that the city got this wrong in their press release says something about something.
Corrected
City Hall sent out a correction this afternoon and I, who also missed it, fixed it in the original post.
Do this all the time
It took them one week to think of and implement these changes in response to the OL closure. If all it takes to improve traffic safety and management is some paint and week of brainstorming, can't we do more of it?
one-time steamroll?
My impression is that a big difference here is that the usual carbrain anti-bike anti-pedestrian NIMBY types weren't given a chance to slog down this process. As a YIMBY maximalist I think we have too much local input on these sorts of things in forums where participation doesn't represent the community at large.
Reverse the process
The city should make changes without hearings. Then have hearings 6-9 months later so people can comment if the changes are an improvement, need adjustments, or should be reverted entirely.
The current hearing system is just speculation from all sides.
Ahh
So you would prefer the Government make all the decisions for us with no public input?
"too much local input"
They didn't say no public input.
My honest feeling
A lot of these changes will be gone in a year, though it might be a part of longer term permanent changes.
Quick pop up changes, though well intentioned, often don't last. I was pondering this while driving down (after running up) Cummins Highway in Mattapan last week.
Cummins Hwy Pop-up Lanes?
They took them out as prelude to rebuilding the whole street. Permanent lanes are part of that rebuild.
Excellent. We have more and
Excellent. We have more and more evidence that bus and bike lanes are effective in reducing commute times and saving lives. A few car drivers from the suburbs should not be prioritized over thousands of bus riders and cyclists.
Could you present said
Could you present said evidence?
Let's start with Huntington Ave. How many people were served by the right lane before it became a bus lane, when it became a bus lane during the E branch closure with boosted bus service, and now that it's a bus lane with transit service is back to normal?
Not Huntington but still very encouraging data
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/six-months-later-revisiting-roxbury...
Oh and also
https://www.wbur.org/news/2019/06/24/bus-lanes-faster-boston-commutes
On the subject of increasing safety (not Boston but whatever)
https://www.pasadenacsc.org/blog/protected-bike-lanes-increase-traffic-s...
A 'Few'
A 'few'... sure
Nothing like exclusionary policies, to keep people out of 'your' neighborhood/part of the city.
Let the hypocrisy proceed.
Speaking of bike lanes... on Route 99
The stanchions are literally in the driving lane vs right on the bike lane markers...
Traffic is already being impacted and wtf happens in a snow storm? Is Michelle going to shovel the bike lane by hand?
We see what you did there Mayor
Not very nice but everyone could have predicted this backdoor process to further your agenda.
"Agenda"
Yeah, Wu's dastardly agenda to make commuting easier for the maximum number of people possible. So shady.
When life gives you lemons...
make lemonade. Good on her for finding another way to turn this into a big win for the city and its residents.
You gotta hand it to her
She's spent literally her entire life working to build up the maintenance backlog on the Orange Line just to achieve this goal.
you mean the agenda she
you mean the agenda she campaigned on and was elected overwhelmingly with? yea, a real
shame she’s implementing her campaign promises to make Boston a better city for bike and transit users
agenda?
That would be the nefarious agenda of saving driver and pedestrian lives and reducing traffic jams.
If you think the changes are a bad idea, there's nothing stopping you from asking the city government to reverse them You'll probably need a better argument than objecting that the changes were tried out for 30 days, instead of the decision being made after months or years of hearings.
Reducing Traffic Jams???
You're kidding right? Do explain how taking a lane from a main road for bikes reduces traffic jams? Just the opposite isn't it?
While you're at it help me understand how bottlenecking vehicles that once moved through those street but will now sit and idle for another hour while watching a bike lane that has few users per hour will lower pollution? Oh let me guess, you don't want any vehicles on the city roads right?
When you create
When you create infrastructure that makes biking or taking the bus a safe and viable option for commuting, some people will choose that over driving. Therefore, there will be fewer cars on the road to get stuck in traffic. There have been endless studies showing that more car lanes actually lead to more traffic instead of alleviating traffic. Google "induced demand."
Bus lanes are great for emergency vehicles
Those cars are gonna be sitting in traffic regardless because well, they are traffic.
Direct observation beats "logic" here
You can construct whatever argument you'd like based on logic and reasoning, but in this case we actually have empirical data which shows pretty clearly that the changes they're making permanent have not caused the problems you're afraid of. Neither you nor I may understand why your fears have not been realized, but the fact remains: they haven't been, and that's pretty much that. Reality is reality.
Yes, let's add MORE lanes!
Just one more lane will fix it, surely
right on cue!
Conspiracy theorists gonna theorize! How dare she?!?
No worries
There is nothing here, such as traffic enforcement, that prevents opposing agendas.
You can still straddle or block individual lanes, or angle your vehicle while stopped to make an adjacent lane impassable. You can still pull forward to block crosswalks and intersections to impede others who have right of way at intersections.
If you and others want to worsen traffic, you can continue to do so easily.
Hope so...her agenda is why
Hope so...her agenda is why she pummeled her opponents. It's called changing. Boston is a joke in so many ways compared to other livable cities. Yes, born and bred, etc,etc.
There are areas of SF, NY and other cities that made changes during Covid & aren't going back. Know what - the people that live in those areas love the changes.
Who are they fooling? Improve
Who are they fooling? Improve traffic by increasing the amount of traffic? Neither buses or bikers are ever stopped for reckless driving, running red lights, not stopping for pedestrians and other dangerous behavior. The buses and bike lanes are causing most of the traffic problems. Bus drivers are all over the place, and bike riders seem to throw all common sense to the wind while riding through densely populated areas. Its one thing to make the dedicated spaces but you have to do something to make them use it.
Bus lane on Huntington Avenue?
I drove down the street once during the first week of the shutdown. Didn't see any bus lanes.
Given that the right hand lane is basically takeout parking, I don't see this actually being a thing.
Not sure where the bus lane on
Huntington begins. I have driven inbound to Ruggles St. and there are no bus lanes.
As far as I know it is only the #39 bus that is on that stretch and they run now only about every 15 minutes, if then. The #66 leaves Huntington at Brigham Circle.
That sounds like a Boston bus
That sounds like a Boston bus lane: no markings, and one bus every 15 minutes.
If nobody knows it's a bus lane, and buses are rare, what purpose does it serve? Mostly just for politicians to announce how much they're doing for transit.
I believe they added a week
I believe they added a week or two into the shutdown, that’s why you didn’t see it the first week.
Street Improvements
Maybe it’s time to close the red line for a month? :)
If the commuter rail is free
If the commuter rail is free from zone 2, I am for it.
close it for 6 months and
close it for 6 months and make it not a piece of shit.
when the red line is working well, it is the best line.
but when it breaks down, dear god is it miserable.
additionally, fix alewife so it doesn't take over an hour to get out of the parking lot 2x a month.
You knew this was coming
Just like all the bars and restaurants who “lost” money during the pandemic continue to do business on public property.
So excited for this one!
This intersection is along my daily commute and prior to this change I’d see near misses on a nearly daily basis between cars, cars and pedestrians, and cars and cyclists. I’ve stopped twice to be a witness for accidents since 2019.
They need to deal with New Minton St (the next cross street), which is too often used as a shortcut by speeding drivers and which has a total blind spot for cars, pedestrians, and cyclists courtesy of some MBTA duct work. The best solution is to make it one way in the opposite direction removing the blind spot and dividing the traffic between the two cross streets.
Agreed
I agree, but the blind spot is from Amtrak fencing.